General Discussion Auckland Waterfront Stadium

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    Watson offers to help fund stadium project

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    Rich-lister Eric Watson has pledged to invest in a new stadium for downtown Auckland.

    The Warriors owner last night confirmed he would help fund a stadium project, saying "I believe in the benefits for Auckland".

    And Watson revealed he had already approached other potential investors.

    "The conversations ... have very much been around the concept and a number of people I've spoken to believe it is a great idea and are very enthusiastic to learn more. Hopefully that will translate into financial support.

    "I am very enthusiastic and interested in seeing a downtown stadium for Auckland, assuming the plan is solid both for the build, its location, appropriate seating capacity and for its economic viability, I will assist with my networks where possible."

    Watson said it was too early to say how much he was prepared to put in, but he would be an investor.

    Meanwhile, Martin Snedden, the Rugby World Cup boss who fought for Eden Park to be the centrepiece of New Zealand's 2011 hosting and beyond, has done a dramatic u-turn, saying a new waterfront venue could "revitalise" the city.

    The Herald on Sunday can reveal Auckland Council was approached last year by former America's Cup boss Stephen Barclay over private cash to build a new downtown stadium.

    Barclay, a New Zealander who was director and chief executive of the 2013 America's Cup in San Francisco, spent 18 months "deeply involved" in a private investigation of Auckland's venues.

    He dropped the project six months ago over a lack of "political interest" in a waterfront development. Barclay said he had had interest from two English Premier League clubs and a major American sports team in potential investment in the project.

    He said Warriors owner Watson is shaping as a key player now because any concept hinges on a private investor - or a consortium backed by them - willing to stump up at least $100 million on a potential $300m 25,000-seat stadium.

    The 2015 NBR Rich List estimated Watson's wealth at $500m.

    "The catalyst is an investor, not the council, and the investor is always a sports team owner because they have access to resource and create the brand," Barclay said. "The Warriors are the obvious one. They want a new home and ... a potential new A-League team in Auckland would be looked upon favourably because it creates a local derby with the Wellington Phoenix. This is not a council-led thing, it's a private investment-led thing that the city decides whether to be part of.

    "If Watson or potential A-League owners in Auckland want to sit at the centre of this and throw money at it, then from there it's very simple."

    Minister of Sport Jonathan Coleman this week said a new venue could cost more than $1 billion. But Barclay says his 18-month probe produced much smaller costs.

    "The numbers I heard, and I have no reason to believe these aren't correct, were about $300m for a 25,000-seat stadium and about $500-600m for 35,000 capacity," he said. "The successful formula is world proven, evenly split three ways across the investor, the deal for the land - usually the local council - and the rest is debt."

    Brett O'Riley, chief of council entity Auckland Tourism, Events and Economic Development (Ateed), was aware of Barclay and Watson's interest in the issue.

    O'Riley said Barclay's model appeared financially sound and while no private business cases have been pitched, he said Ateed would welcome a backer with open arms. He was not surprised to learn of Watson's interest.

    Snedden says a multi-purpose stadium, with a capacity between 25,000-30,000, would be the best option.

    "I could always see the potential in the downtown idea but at the time the proposal was [light] on certainty and detail."

    More than 16,000 readers took part in an online Herald poll, with 82 per cent of respondents in favour of a new stadium.

    Next steps

    1. Auckland Tourism, Events and Economic Development wants the stadium.

    2. A private investor willing to pay around a third of the cost must be found.

    3. A total budget of at least $300m must be found (for a 25,000-seat arena).

    4. A decision is made on whether Eden Park stays, goes or is redeveloped.

    5. Aucklanders show desire for a new stadium.

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    Hope this is more than a cock tease. As for Snedden he should be bent over a table and reamed.
     
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    Listened to Proffesor of construction planning etc from AUT on Radio sport the other day.

    Interesting points he made were you only have one approach to the Stadium (sounds like a multi billion dollar overhaul of the transport infrastructure to make that work,).

    Safety considerations when you only have one direction for evacuation.

    I'm a big fan of the Waterfront stadium, I'm a big fan of an infrastructure overhaul of Auckland.....but I don't like the safety issue.

    It could be overcome but it sounds to me something NZ can't afford and a project that would take decades.
     
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    Coleman is right this is Auckland.nothing is done cheap or simple...a billon dollars would be the high figure but can see it costing 700,000 plus but if their get a precentage of the sale of Eden park it's doable.love it to happen
     
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    I can understand Sneeden's U-turn as last time this cam up he was responsible for co-ordinating the event. There was too much of a delay between winning the event and the debate on the stadium build or upgrade that by the time we made a decision it would have been touch and go if it would have been ready in time. As the guy responsible for the event the worst scenario possible would have been to not have a venue sorted.

    I do though disagree with him on the multi-purpose stadium. This sounds like a former cricketer wanting a new venue for big one day and twenty-20 matches. Like the majority of people I'd rather watch the football codes on a field that is the correct shape.
     
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    The 35,000 capacity sounds similar to Doyle's original argument that a boutique size stadium could be built for the Blues and Warriors etc with the big games going to Eden Park. Well the talk the last week has been what would happen to Eden Park.

    Personally I'd like us to build closer to 50,000. Have a national stadium and build for our future population not like we did with the harbour bridge and motorway system which was build for the population at that time. We already have a 35-37,000 seat stadium in Wellington; we should ideally have a bigger one somewhere in the country.

    Would we get big overseas events like State of Origin to a 35,000 seat stadium?

    This seems to have more momentum than it originally sounded like when it was raised again this week. Now with Watson and a few other parties interested there is at least some funding.
     
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    60000 seats make it the centerpiece of New Zealand stadiums. The cricketers can keep eden park this stadium should just be for League Rugby and Football.
     
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    gREVUS Long live the Rainbows and Butterflies

    Nah saftey is no problem, just think of it being like a life raft in the middle of the ocean, to quote the Genie - "
    In case of emergency, the exits are here, here, here, here…anywhere. "
     

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    I'd chuck in a couple a hundy if they wanted to do some crowd funding in return for some free tickets and a tour of the place when it's done...

    And if they build it for 35,000, with a future upgrade in mind to 60,000 that would be awesome...
     
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    I think if it's done wrong it could become a cluster fuck.

    But if the guys calling the shots have their thinking caps on it could be a massive boost for the regional economy.. Loads of jobs, and loads of money flying around will be good for everyone...

    The Auckland residential construction boom is going to continue for a while, so now's the time we can afford a new stadium...
     
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    The only way a new waterfront type stadium would be considered would be if Eden Park and a few others are sold off and the land used for housing etc.

    Can't have Eden Park as a backup.

    Needs to be 50k seater minimum to cater to for the AB tests and Warriors home game finals game when the bandwagon is full again. Could build it so the upper tier are blocked off for other codes making it the 35k stadium. But for gods sake don't stick in bright one coloured seats that stand out like dogs balls when it's empty!!!!
     
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    What annoys me is the way Aucklanders in general seem so happy to latch onto one thing they've heard, usually something negative, and let it totally pollute their minds. I see so many people, talk-back callers etc quoting ridiculous shit that is usually devoid of proper facts or research, and they still feel like they know enough to feel strongly on the issue. I like the idea of a waterfront stadium, I think it should be explored from all avenues. That includes costs, safety, infrastructure, investment, tourism etc etc. If, after everything comes out in the wash, it looks to simply be too difficult then by all means don't do it. But simply saying "I've heard it'll cost $1 billion dollars! No way is the rate payer funding this!" and moving on is fucking annoying and short-sighted. And it's endemic in this city, which is why Auckland won't ever be a true 'international city', as it's residents tend to be a bunch of whiny negative naysayers with fuck all imagination. I live in Auckland and love the city but man it gets tiring.
     
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    One reason why the Dunedin stadium works/looks good on tv is the different coloured seating so it looks "full" even with a small crowd because it's harder, at least with my older eyesight, to see what seats are full and which aren't. But then, someone will come forward with a heap of bright seats they'll sell to the new Waterfront Stadium for half the price. Guess why they're so cheap? Cos no one else was dumb enough to buy them.

    Don't mind at all if the Stadium is multisport as long as one of those sports isn't cricket!!!
     
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    $1 billion being spent creating wealth in Auckland...

    How much of that goes into wages for the construction workers? How much of those wages get spent in the local economy?

    Then there's the construction materials all being brought in from around the country. The list of benefits during construction is immense.

    Everybody wins when that much money is spent on something a lot of people want to pay to use for the next hundred years...
     
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    Seat color is my only non-negotiable... They better be black and blue...

    Otherwise I'll be angry.:rage: ;)
     
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    Well yeah. I think any final figure that does get tabled needs to be viewed as a business model rather than 'this thing will cost tax payers several hundred million!' as though there's zero upside and it's simply money that has been spent and washed away.
     
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    Come on - we all know you want a LazyBoy on the halfway line!!! ;)
     
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    Unfortunately that attitude is not only an Auckland problem, people everywhere form rabid beliefs on little knowledge or accurate information because they are too lazy to do the research themselves, whether it's a stadium or something like the TPPA, people latch on to ridiculous statements and accept them as fact. Do the research then make the decision. Mind you I'm pretty sure if the TPPA gets signed the multinationals and US government would stop any new stadiums being built here because they want to put the price of Viagra up.
     
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    I think you may actually be on to something here: "The Viagra Stadium: stiffening our teams defence since 2025"
     
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