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Discussion in 'General Warriors Discussion' started by jonno, Aug 26, 2014.



  1. Ref
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    Ref 1st Grade Fringe

    The problem all game was that our D line failed to move up far enough or fast enough.
     
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    Inruin Walk Them Out

    I know its only snapshots but Seb and TL seem to come from pretty close together yet one gets to the player and makes a tackle and the other is late and concedes a penalty try. Not exactly scientific or anything but interesting all the same.
     
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    I reckon that try killed any chance the Warriors had of winning the game. Tupou was absolutely gassed when he was cut down and the entire Warriors team had to make that same run then scramble across field in the first 5 minutes of the match
     
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    That try in particular highlights the lack of direction in our edge defense. At no time should the line be sliding backwards. They need to slide slightly forward so that they have some forward momentum for the tackle and are cutting down the space. Imagine Hurrell running at that d line, he'd smash right through and score under the posts... But if they line is advancing on him, cutting down his time to pick up speed then he's stoppable...
     
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    You're dreaming if you think a team who just ran 70m back down the field is going to be completely organised the next play of the ball
     
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  6. jonno
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    It should be second nature to run forward when defending a back line move... Running away from the players never works in League as it just gives up meters and allows for attacking players to hit full speed before the line.

    It only works in Union because the d line stands 0 meters behind the ruck. Maybe that's where the bad habit is coming from?
     
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    I would think they had already run forward before your snapshots, Tupou was tackled on the 5 wasnt he? so they would have been on the line initially, they obviously got caught out for numbers and then slid
     
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    the footage is 10/10 mate

    outdone yourself

    but that defense is softer then a 4hour cone from maccas during winter season
     

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    Ryan Hoffman: Round 24, storm v panthers, 60th minute...
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    Panthers set up with an attacking formation out to their right.
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    Panthers dummy half runs across to the right to get into position for his pass while the storm advance together in a flat line with the winger hanging back.
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    Panthers dummy half straightens then passes out the back to his No.7. While Hoffman (4th in from the sideline) recognizes the 5 on 4 overlap, charges off out of the line, leaving the rest of his defenders standing back.
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    When Hoffman reaches the panthers No.7 he has formed an angled defensive line with his outside men leaving another two storm players behind this angle in cover. All the panthers attacking players are now marked by the angled defensive line (as it brings the two cover defenders into the play). Media has been hidden. Please Register to view.
    The pressure of Hoffmans run causes the panthers attacking structure to falter and the ball goes to ground.
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    The panthers player who dropped the ball runs through the hole Hoffman created straight towards the now uninterested cover defender, in a well executed defusing of an overlap.
     
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    I have one question - in what world is it a smart idea to have Lousi and Mateo next to each other in the defensive line? One is lazy, the other is a horrible reader of the play with poor lateral movement.

    To make it worse they were probably the ones closest to Friend to help him out. Was Matagi nearby too?

    It's like trying to catch water with a net.
     
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    My question is: how smart is it to have Lousi and Mateo on the same football team?

    Surely we have some forwards who can play hard fucken defense in our squad?
     
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    gREVUS Long live the Rainbows and Butterflies

    dont just aim at the forwards - i saw Konnie get stepped more than once out there during the game. Mannering dropping off tackles, SJ way out of position, etc ... or maybe he was doing a Hoffman and no one else knew it????
     
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    Back Line Madness
    2nd tackle...
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    Johnson rushes up on the Roosters No.11
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    Johnson has rushed up on the Roosters No. 11 while Laumape has hung back, and they are now both traveling on different angles (neither of which point to the ball receiver), giving the Roosters center space to accelerate with ball in hand.
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    The Roosters center steps of his left foot sending Laumape off balance and too far away to make a tackle.
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    The Roosters center then steps again of his left foot leaving Johnson off balance and unable to make a tackle.
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    The Roosters center scores from a poorly defended 3 on 3 situation.

    IMO, seeing as there is no cover defender waiting in behind, they either both rush their opposites or they both move up slowly together keeping a flat line. 1 (the winger) has the sideline and can stand a little deeper to cover the kick, but 2 and 3 are infield and need to be moving in lock step. Defense is all about formations and in this instance there was none...

    The fact that it's not second nature to these guys is disturbing considering they are professionals who do nothing else but train.
     
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    It actually starts with the slow line speed in the middle, SJ and Kon like to get up fast to combat their defensive frailties but they weren't rushing as mentioned, the problem was no one was rushing, apart from the really dumb shit, the most disappointing thing about the game was our line speed, it was all over the shop and we weren't winning the tackle.
     
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    mt.wellington ABOVE THE LINE

    And a player of Jennings skill see's that, also see's that both Ngani Laumape and Shaun Johnson have their right shoulders turned and he simply steps back inside where no one is sliding and Tomkins cant tackle...
     
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    I reckon our formations are still a work in progress. There's no way we could win a GF with our defense ATM. Under big game pressure the formations have to be so well understood, and more importantly, well believed in, before they will hold together.

    The Storm get drilled on their defensive structures to the point of brain damage, but it means that no matter how crazy the game gets, the players all still do what they're supposed to do. That's Bellachs secret. Ball Busting repetition.
     
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    Inruin Walk Them Out

    and keeping the same spine as much as he can......
     
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    That'd be nice...
     
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    U20s defense in action. 2nd min, 5th tackle.
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    Tomkins puts in a chip kick over the top of the roosters line. Not a bad option IMO as it could set up the rest of the game for the early ball to Hurrell by holding up the Roosters defensive line.
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    Warriors chase the ball, the shadow of which is just past the 10, with the Roosters winger retreating towards it.
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    Three warriors outside backs rush in to attack the ball, while the rest of the soon to be ex-Warriors team leave a gaping hole 15 meters in from the sideline, which could be attacked if the bounce of the ball goes against them.
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    The bounce of the ball goes against them, metaphorically speaking, as the Roosters winger takes a clean catch while all the rushing Warriors defenders are taken out of the play by the Roosters fullback.
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    The Roosters winger runs past the first hole (from frame 3), which has now closed, and looks at the second hole.
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    It's now winger on props with way too much time and space to work with.
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    Both props arrive too late to stretch their arms around for an effective tackle on the flying winger, and are unwilling to dive to shut the play down.
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    Both props are still on their feet as the Roosters winger sprints off resulting in a try down the other end of the field in the next play.

    A total lack of any coordinated, committed defense left wide open spaces for the counter attack masters to destroy...
     
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    This shit isn't Cappy or Leuluai's fault. It's our great "lead by his actions" captain fantastic.
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    Mannering takes the ball into contact with all his potential support runners standing back waiting for the next play.
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    All our support runners are still waiting for the next play, with only Friend jogging in for the play the ball. There looks like someone hand up under Friend as if to say, don't throw the off load, there's nobody running support.
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    Captain fantastic throws the offload.:banghead:
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    The Manly defender catches the ball clean, we lose possession, field position and an outside chance to score a try.

    No coach instructs players to force offloads, when going to ground, when there's no support, when you have a 2 point lead with 50 mins to play.:meh: