1. Wellington Warrior
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    Nothing wrong with locking him into a long deal... not like they would have been paying him hundreds of thousands of dollars over that period. I read somewhere that the Warriors tried to upgrade his contract to a $500k 2 year deal last year and he knocked that back

    Just seen him play in the NZers first Sevens game. Clearly the Warriors lawyers don’t work weekends!
    P.s. he also almost embarrassed himself by not drawing and passing with 2 unmarked players on the inside.. lucky he broke the tackle and scored.
     
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    Because the player was under contract the actions by the NZRU are illegal and arrogant.

    This player, i believe was 18 not 15 when he decided to make this obviously induced shift to another code and contract.

    Yes there is pressure, but undue pressure has arisen in this instance simply because the player did not want to talk his choice through with whom he was contracted to before making his decision. Obviously he was induced to make this decision and now these actions will have their consequences, the question is who will this precedent hold responsible and how will the affected parties benefit.
    Without a positive outcome to the Warriors and by default RL in NZ, our game will continue to struggle against the other code that is so culturally entrenched in our secondary schools the NZRU never have the need to offer development contracts to fill their stocks.

    While the law must protect all of our children, that responsibility rests with the parents first and foremost, then the agent and then the club/organisation. But let's kidd ourselves, everyone loves the idea of being paid to play the sports we enjoy and that is the industry were talking about here..
     
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    It is exactly the reason that there needs proper guidelines from both codes in this matter. You have a lot more confidence in the ethics of parents, agents and clubs in these matters than me. Particularly for parents/families and agents these contracts can be seen as a meal ticket.

    The whole idea is to stop these kids from being exploited by having sensible guidelines in place. I know a professional Union Coach and he says it is sad as every family thinks they have the next great player.
     
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    the problem for the Warriors is that they are not only competing with rugby but other NRL clubs. Taumalolo for example was signed as a 14year old.
     
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    Wonder what the settlement figure was
     
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    Maybe should have taken it? Nobody wants a player in their ranks who'd rather be elsewhere
     
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    He's starting for the NZ team vs Scotland right now

    He had one run, stepping two players and passing to set up a try. He also made a few tackles.
     
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    I don't think Rattue would have intentionally made the story up. For a start he loses credibility if it turns belly up.
     
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    To lose credibility, Rattue would need some to begin with.
     
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    Credibility!! The guy clearly writes to provoke, he isn't interested in his credibility he is a shock jock of sport journalism, similar to Mark Reason and Mark Watson
     
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    Your right he's just a guy who writes his opinions. He may have heard something and ran with it. You can see rumours on this forum or other fan sites to read plenty of that. It is the journalists that would wait to get the same rumour from multiple sources and get details (contract terms) that we should be worried about. Most of Rattue's articles are there to generate discussion or create controversy.

    This is similar to the sports science side of things where the NRL clubs are in an arms race to get a competitive advantage or stock pile talent so they get the next superstar before one of the other clubs sign them up. NZ Rugby want the professional side of things to start from a certain level which is admirable. Their centralised contracting model has advantages for controlling their market within NZ and getting things aligned for the International sides. But they have the European and Japanese clubs circling their more seasoned professionals pushing up the price and the league clubs interested in the raw talent throughout the country.

    I've seen a few articles over the years with comments about issues with NRL recruiters approaching young players at tournaments. That could just be as they offer more money at a younger age and potentially moving across to Australia, where union the attraction is to see the world while playing or later in your career you move. There may be issues with how some recruiters go about things, so far it doesn't seem like the Warriors have done anything bad besides a long term deal to a youngster.

    Signing guys at a young age could work out like you listed Taumalolo as a 14 year old. We will also get issues like the current case or players signed who get injured and it's career over or they get ditched by the club who move on to the next one. Another issue is parents seeing the potential earnings for their kid and rushing in to get them to sign the contract.
     
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    It does seem though that NZ rugby have gone especially hard to get Nanai, it seems they have gone harder than usually because he signed with the Warriors.
     
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    The NZRU have competition from all over the world. They are fighting for their lives in terms of recruitment. Not so much the top 30 players but the depth beneath them.

    Rattue is very often on the money, before anybody else is. He just isn't right all the time.
     
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    I knew it! You are Rattue!

    F.O.S.!:D
     
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    Etene looks great in rugby but putting things in perspective, the highlight reels even the 7’s, the defence on him was TERRIBLE. No way he’s getting that much flimsy defence when playing league.

    Not a hater but seen way too many young talent with attacking skills made to look better because of defenders not knowing how to tackle properly. I saw zero highlights of his defence.

    Look at RTS. He’s actually a terrible last line defender.

    Dont believe the hype.

    Find me a kid that loves to tackle Matthew Ridge. Geoff Toovey - best tacklers in league history for their size and technique. Easy.

    Everyone loves the bling on attack but a strong defender is a harder commodity to find.

    I am a Defensive connoisseur.
     
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    Interesting from a legal perspective.

    Minor contract, but obviously with parents and agents involved some of that risk is mitigated. There is precendents, ie employment agreements for minors.

    Inducement to breach a contract is a serious matter, especially since NZRU would have been well aware of the financial commitment made by warriors to date.
    The fact they have already offered a settlement likely points to the fact that they know they are in the wrong.

    There needs to be some concrete guidelines put in place regarding juniors in sport.
     
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    Hope he enjoys his Sevens career. From what I have seen he wont make the All Blacks...
     
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    He inherited the step off both feet which just brings yourself closer to the defender from his cousin, probably doesn’t have the frame to be an elite winger, but smaller guys like Cory Jane and NMS managed to crack it, might take him a while though.

    Koroi the playmaker is an Anthony Milford clone, even looks like him. Just give him the ball and he creates a try out of nothing.
     
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    Got speed off the mark too, also went well on defence the game i saw,wonder if he would be interested in league? Gotta be better than a sevens career now that is not a road to the ABs generally.