General Discussion Kicking penalties

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  1. Miket12
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    I’ve seen there’s been a bit of talk on some of the other threads about whether or not SJ should have kicked the penalty goals later in the game against the Cowboys.

    A lot of positives and negatives about it but I wonder if it’s also part of the game plan.... making the opposition think about not giving away two points if it means say they have to score two tries instead of one converted try to win or force a game to golden point. Maybe I’m over thinking it but I wonder if it’s designed to put the opposition into two minds: break early and risk letting the Warriors getting further away by kicking a penalty or hang back and risk leaving time for SJ, RTS or Blake to weave their magic.
     
  2. Lord Gnome of Howick MBE
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    Taking the two is generally preferable to dropping the ball on the first play after finding touch.
     
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  3. Gizzyfan
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    So many factors. Judgement call.
     
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    I was always an advocate of taking easy points when they were available, even if a team was on the ropes you would generally receive the ball back and mount another attack anyway and would have points accumulating as well.
    Penalty goals psychologically can be a big boost early in the game and before and after half time as well as soon after the other team posts points(makes it seem like their points aren’t worth as much).
    As captain i would cop a little bit of shit sometimes from the guys wanting to press on but we never lost so they eventually trusted it worked
     
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    Reckon your definitely over thinking it! I’d say its just being hard minded, the opposition need a turnover, 7 tackle set, an intercept, anything, to get back in the game, don’t give it to them, kick it, get the ball back, stick it down their end, if they are going to beat you make them go 85 metres for it, and chew it up another 2 ½ minutes on the clock.
     
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    Kicking a penalty is essentially a repeat set, with some points added on. If the opponent is tired from all that defending, push their target a little further away and give them some more defense to do.

    The run from kick off is a lot further for the defending team after all. And we seem to make easy meters against a tired team from our own goal line.
     
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    It's points guaranteed at a higher percentage than going for a try.
     
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    I remember Ivan Cleary was a fan of taking the 2 points on offer. He said it gave the team a break, points and we got the ball back.

    It also means we starve the opposition of ball for longer. The Walker Brothers who created a stir with their unconventional coaching reckon that possession was only part of the key. The main part was time spent with the ball. Teams that held onto the ball for longer rather completed sets statistically won far more games than they lost.

    Really don't want league becoming union but as long as the team gets the 2 points at the end of the day then I really don't care...
     
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    Agree 100% minus 2. That 2% likes more tries during repeat replays.

    But yup a win is a win is a win.
     
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    You guys are all wrong in this instance due to the game situation. With 4 mins to go and up by 8, an extra 2 points does nothing, all we did was give them a chance to get the ball back off the short kick off and be 40 out hot on attack. Would of been better to just take 6 hitups and hand the ball over giving them 100m to run up field if they want to score, then they would have to do it again to win. All of this would have to happen in the 2 1/2 mins they would of had left.

    If they get the ball back off the short kick off and score quickly, they only need to score once and would still have 3 mins up their sleeve

    It was a stupid call plain and simple, just lucky they shanked the short kick off
     
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    Take the kick
     
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    4 minutes to get a 2 tries and 2 conversions is a very long shot. Not at all stupid...
     
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    Johnsons kicking from out wide has been flakey so far ( that's how its looked).

    Taking the easy ones is good confidence building in game practice.

    I'm not joking. Kicking some easy shots helps settle a lot of Kickers ( they talk about it...getting into a rhythm).

    Anyway the teams kicking the penalties are winning the comp.

    BTW 100% footy played a clip of Chechen asking the bunker what his penalty numbers are.

    Johnson is lining up a penalty.

    Chechen asks " keep doing what I'm doing or do we need more action on the ten?".

    Why wouldn't you kick at every opportunity since Refs have KPI's and these include giving 8 penalties per team for the appearance of neutrality ( that's according to Gus Gould).

    The perception being that if plenty are given to both sides ..no one can accuse them of bias.

    Kick the bloody penalties, you're gonna have eight put on you most games as a pre loaded script...who wants to be the team that doesn't kick in that environment ?
     
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    Two easy penalties equates to a try. Penalties and drop goals enabled a tryless Broncos to beat the Tigers.
    If an exercise was ever done on the percentage of tries scored v not scored when the kick for goal option is turned down I suspect more points have come from successful penalties than tries.
    Looking at it another way, how many repeat sets are not scored from which in essence is the same as turning down a shot for goal IF the penalty comes late in the count.
     
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    I am pretty happy with taking the 2 in most cases but agree with flying coconut that on saturday with less than 5 to go and with the clock being stopped for the kick holding the ball was a better move.
     
  16. Boats n Hoes
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    I don't subscribe to take the 2 every penalty theory but geez I thought kick for goal was an absolute given at the time....didn't even think it was up for debate.

    Run down the clock....make the opposition have to score 3 times (4 times if they want to win)....commonsense for mine.
     
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    So why give them an extra 2 mins and the chance to get the ball 60m up field for 2 points?
     
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    How do you figure that, we went from an 8 point lead to a 10 point lead. They would of only had to score twice either way.
     
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    but the clock doesnt run down, it was stopped because there was less than 5 minutes to go, so the run the clock down play was to hold it for 6 and go for the repeat set. Taking the 2 took us from 8 in front to 10 in front, two tries either way as long as they convert one.
     
  20. Boats n Hoes
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    10 point lead means they would need 12 points to win. 12 points is 2 tries, 2 conversions.....which means they would have to score 4 times.