Manu Vatuvei

  1. ShaunJohnson7
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    66 pages now. Must surely be time for Manu's Residual Value V3.0??

    * Mod: New Manu thread has been discussed and with a new contract its time to start one up.

    Poll added with the exact same questions. Results from last poll are as below:

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    Just days after joining the 200-game club and setting an all-time try-scoring record, Manu Vatuvei has extended his Vodafone Warriors career to a record 15 seasons with a new three-year contract to the end of the 2018 NRL campaign.

    The 29-year-old left wing, now in his 12th consecutive NRL season, will make his 202ndappearance when the Vodafone Warriors face the Gold Coast Titans in the club’s first-ever Anzac Day match at Mount Smart Stadium on Saturday (1.45pm kick-off; match day sponsor: Canterbury of New Zealand).

    Today’s contract announcement follows Vatuvei’s memorable 200th appearance against Wests Tigers at home on April 11 when he scored two tries in the 32-22 win to equal Nigel Vagana’s record for the most tries in the NRL by a New Zealander (140).

    Last Saturday he claimed the record outright with his 141st try – and his sixth in seven games this season – in the heartbreaking 24-28 loss to North Queensland.

    “I’m so grateful to the club for giving me the chance to stay here this long,” said Vatuvei.

    “My manager Pete (Peter Brown) looked at some other options including rugby union but I wanted to stay at the Vodafone Warriors. It has always been my vision growing up at the club to be a Warrior for life.

    “I want to thank everyone who has helped me along the way, the players, the coaches, the staff and all the members and fans who have given me so much support through the years.

    “I’m really pleased to have this contract and I’ll do everything I can to repay the faith the club has shown in me.”

    Vodafone Warriors managing director Jim Doyle said it was critical the club retained Vatuvei.

    “Manu is so important in an all-round sense to the Vodafone Warriors,” he said.

    “He’s exceptionally popular with everyone inside and outside the club. We value what he means for us and what he also means to rugby league.”

    Vodafone Warriors head coach Andrew McFadden said Vatuvei’s new contract takes him to the next level among NRL players.

    “It’s a tribute to Manu and a reflection of the regard we hold him in that he is set to extend his career to 15 seasons. That’s an exceptional achievement,” he said.

    “He is hugely important to our side and to the club as a whole. The contribution he continues to make is outstanding and he has certainly started this season very well.”

    Only two other players match Vatuvei’s feat of representing the Vodafone Warriors in 12 NRL seasons – Stacey Jones (1995-2005 and 2009) and Jerome Ropati (2003-2014) – while captain Simon Mannering is in his 11th season.

    Vatuvei’s try-scoring strike rate is among the best for long-serving players in the game with 141 in 201 games including an impressive 27 in his last NRL 32 games. He now needs only four more tries this year to complete the unprecedented feat of scoring 10 or more tries in 10 consecutive seasons.

    He scored two tries in the Kiwis’ victory in last year’s Four Nations final against Australia to overtake Vagana’s record for most Test tries for New Zealand (20 in 27 Tests).

    Vatuvei won the NRL’s Favourite Son award last year. At the Vodafone Warriors’ annual awards he was named the SKYCITY players’ player of the year as well as the Canterbury of New Zealand club person of the year. He was also a finalist for the NRL’s Ken Stephen Medal.

    SEASON-BY-SEASON BREAKDOWN

    2004 5 games 0 tries

    2005 12 games 9 tries

    2006 18 games 10 tries

    2007 23 games 10 tries

    2008 17 games 16 tries

    2009 19 games 13 tries

    2010 19 games 20 tries

    2011 19 games 12 tries

    2012 20 games 12 tries

    2013 19 games 16 tries

    2014 23 games 17 tries

    2015 7 games 6 tries

    Manu Vatuvei

    Born: March 4, 1986

    Birthplace: Auckland, NZ

    Position: Wing

    Height: 189cm

    Weight: 108kg

    Junior Club: Otara Scorpions (Auckland)

    Other Clubs: Otahuhu Ellerslie (Bartercard Cup), Otahuhu (Auckland)

    Vodafone Warriors No: 115

    NRL Debut: Vodafone Warriors v South Sydney, Aussie Stadium, May 23, 2004 (Round 11)

    NRL Career: 201 appearances for Vodafone Warriors, 2004-2015

    NRL Points: 564 (141 tries)

    Kiwi No: 720

    Test Debut: v Australia, Sydney, October 15, 2005 (Tri Nations)

    Test Career: 27 Tests for Kiwis 2005-2014

    Test Points: 80 points (20 tries)

    Other Teams: NRL All Stars 2010, 2012, 2015; All Golds 2008

    Educated: Sir Edmund Hillary College (Auckland)
     
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    Didn't realise 3.0 had actually launched. Talk about bad timing. For the sake of not starting off on the wrong foot, let's just pretend that today's performance didn't take place. Manu 3.1 starts with Warriors v Sharks game next week. Need one of those MiB devices to erase my own memories of today's game.
     
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    Its time for him to move on. This team needs to change, evolve and get better.....
     
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    I see the Manu debate still raging in the round 10 thread.

    Posts like he doesnt have to make another tackle as long as he scores tries and 200 tries outweighs any issues.

    The other side of the debate is that the Warriors are a losing team, they lose on the back of errors and missed tackles, their attack has always been good. So if errors are costing games surely that would be the place to start to try and rectify the losing culture.

    With RTS and Luke the Warriors attack should continue to be up there, but if the errors and missed tackles are aswell its probably going to be more of the same.
     
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    Copied from the Round 10 Thread ... more appropriate here

    Just on this Manu Vatuvei & his amount of errors thing, most if not all sportsmen & sportswomen have both their strengths & weaknesses in their given sport & Rugby League players are definitely no exception

    Even the greats have their weak points, it's just a case of trying to minimise the effects those weaknesses have on the outcome of a game

    As far as Vatuvei goes, yeah sure, it's no secret that his handling skills are the obvious weakness in his game, but imo his obvious strengths far exceed those weaknesses & also it cannot be said that he hasn't worked very hard to try & minimise the effects his obvious weak points could possibly have on the outcome of a match

    I tend to weigh it up like this, how many times has Vatuvei's weaknesses actually outright lost us a game for either the Warriors or the Kiwis vs how many times has his undeniable strengths outright won us a game for the Warriors or the Kiwis, I can't be bothered trying to assess the stats on that one, but I'm willing to bet that Manu has been involved in the match winning play far more often than he has the losing one

    Vatuvei's also an easy target imo, because his strengths & weaknesses are as contrasting as they are obvious, but like I said earlier, all the greats have their weaknesses, as great a player as Stacey Jones was, I've never really heard anyone harp on about the fact that he was actually a defensive liability & needed his "bodyguards" around him to minimise this weakness in his game, even this countries arguably greatest ever Rugby League player, Ruben Wiki, was more than prone to the occasional brain explosion in defence, head high tackles etc & this countries other arguably greatest ever Rugby League player, Mark Graham was, despite all the legends surrounding his toughness, pain threshold etc, one of the most injury prone players of his generation

    But again, all of those great players strengths far exceeded their weaknesses ... Just like Manu Vatuvei
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    The best are the best because they get better. They don't sit around congratulating themselves about how they are club legends before they've even finished their playing careers..

    So that's why it's ok to hassle Manu about his errors IMO... He needs to keep getting better...

    Once his career is over we can all look back and think about his greatest strengths, but as long as he's playing his weaknesses are fair game IMO....

    So all you guys who dream of getting an invite to Manu's house for dinner keep kissing up to the beast, but I'll be hassling him on here until he gets his average error rate down... Fair enough?
     
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    I'm moving closer to Manu to the forwards.

    It's got nothing to do with errors, speed etc.

    I think Tui could make a real fist of centre, and I think Konnie is more suited to the wing with the way he is progressing.

    Manu would make a great prop carting the ball up the middle which is what he does anyway. He would also handle the defence IMO as there are more numbers in the middle of the park.
     
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    No from me. He can stay on the wing. He still has enough speed to sustain himself out there, so why change his position now?

    Some thoughts about him moving to the forwards:
    a) it's well documented he has handling issues - how will his ball control be in the middle carting it up into forwards who will try to dislodge the ball, and refs who see what they want to see?
    b) with a potential reduction in interchanges - do we think he's the right guy to be playing in the middle?
    c) With Mutts, the emergence of Lisone and Vete, an 80 minute back row - exactly where are we going to play him?
    d) which of our wings are better than him right now?

    he stays put for me.

    Of course if his speed starts to wane... we may need to reconsider this. But right now he is our best wing. the defence on the left edge this year and last year has been better than it has been in the last 10 years. No doubt about it.
     
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    Given your recent contribution to the forum re the 'people's champ' Jonathan Wright, is it somewhat ironic you writing this post?
     
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    Year well I'm not as good at hiding my player biases as some people.. But I'm getting better at it...

    And jonno Wright has made good improvements in his game this season... He's not the best but he's getting better... Can you say the same about you favourite manu... Or is Konrad your favourite... Very sneaky...;)
     
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    I for one am not really all that keen on popping over to The Beast's pad for a munch ... as I am personally not the biggest fan of chop suey & taro :p

    As far as I'm concerned though, hassle away bro, while freedom of speech still exists you are more than entitled to voice your opinions & I for one actually enjoy the overall debate

    Also tbf your "constructive criticisms" of The Beast are pretty tame when compared to some of the other members here, one in particular springs to mind, but I wont name him, because I personally don't want to see this thread degenerate into pointless never ending argumentative drivel for the next 20 or so pages lol

    One thing I've realised is that both sides of the divide both have their valid points & neither side is probably going to change the others mind, but one thing that hardly ever gets mentioned, is that when you hear Manu's teammates talk about him, they all pretty much uniformly mention how much they love playing with the big man & how much extra confidence its gives them when he's out on the pitch with them

    If Manu Vatuvei is good enough for his Warriors, Kiwis & All Star team mates, then he's more than good enough for me


    #FEEDTHEBEAST :D


    Maybe someone needs to start up another thread ... Who's the more effective winger- Jonathan "The (white) People's Champ" Wright vs Manu "The Beast" Vatuvei

    Close race that one :p
     
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    I look at this way - Manu is never going to a few errors, defensive winger who scores most of his tries because space has been created for him giving him a run to the line. He is one of a very few rare breed of wingers - one with the physical game and the strength to dominate the first type (and most of the other players on the field too). And that's why he got named as one of the two top wingers in the world last year and named MOM in the recent test match - because of the dominance he has over the other top wingers in the world.

    Which, of course, doesn't excuse the handling and positional problems but then he's not selected because of those but his attributes.
     
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    They probably do feel that way i'm sure, but in all honesty... What do you expect them to say?

    Even if they thought he was shit and was costing the team they would never say it.
     
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    It's unrealistic to expect Manu to keep improving when he's already that damn good... but seriously, I'm sure we all scream (or at least think) expletives when he drops the ball cold. We all understand he's not the perfect winger but plenty of us also recognise that he can consistently score tries that few if any other wingers are capable of and that's why we admire the big guy. However he's not my fav player, SJ for sure from the current team and before that the little general. Before that I'm slightly ashamed to admit it was Ricky Stuart, so clearly a halfback bias!
     
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    Yep I hear you're saying bro, but even if they did think that (which I think most of us here would agree they more than likely do not) why would they even have to say it .. when more than enough members of these forums already say it for them :p

    Conversely though, I can distinctly remember an interview with Darren Lockyer back in 2010 before the first All Stars match, in which Lockyer was the captain of the All Stars team

    And old gravel throat basically said " It's going to be great to play with these Kiwi guys like Benji & Manu, because I've only ever played against them my entire career, especially Manu because he's such a destructive force with the ball in hand & he also gives any team he plays for a huge confidence boost, so I'm sure it will be no different for the All Stars, I'm also pretty happy that I won't have to try & tackle him because he's one of the hardest runners to try & bring down in the entire game" ... not an exact word for word transcript there as I'm going off memory, but that is still the basic gist of what Lockyer said

    So my counter would be, what incentive did Lockyer have to say that about Vatuvei ? ... Seeing as he has absolutely no affiliation whatsoever to either the Warriors or the Kiwis

    Was he just talking shit to try & promote the first All Stars match or was he actually giving an honest assessment of what he thinks of Vatuvei as a player ?


     
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    This is basically my issue, always has been...the Warriors are a middle to bottom half club because they make too many dumb errors, their defense is weak and far to easily worn down, and they have too many weaknesses that can be, and are exploited...i have a real problem with the player who tops those categories nearly every year, Vatuvei.
     
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    I genuinely believe Manu plays a big part in young island boys like Kata/Hurrell/Laumape sticking around with the Warriors.
    Just for that the guy is invaluable to the club, in addition to being fucking awesome on the Wing.
     
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    That's a very valid point Matulino's Left ShoulderMatulino's Left Shoulder

    I would even take it one step further & add that Manu's hugely physical style of play & personality, is more than likely a very substantial contributing factor for why a lot of young Polynesian & Maori kids here in NZ want to play Rugby League in the first place & that can only be a good thing for the health & future of the game in this country
     
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    You certainly do.
     
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    mt.wellington ABOVE THE LINE

    I know it for a fact. We would have lost Konnie if his manager had his way...
     
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