General Discussion North Sydney Bear's NRL Return

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  1. bruce
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    1994 after the Raiders sacked him because he signed with the Warriors for 1995. Precious pricks, that would have been Sheens pissed off because he didn't get the Warriors coaching job. Then they go and sign Reuben from under their noses.
     
  2. Johnnyray
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    Awesome.

    With surprise news that NRL has officially put Gold Goast Titans up for sale today, talk has already resumed on Bears reentering competition as early as next year as either Gold Coast Bears or Northern Beaches Bears though according to them if they are successful in their bid it won't be complete takeover :

    North Sydney Bears say their bid won’t be a Titans takeover

    By EMMA GREENWOOD, Gold Coast Bulletin July 25, 2017 12:00am


    THE North Sydney Bears say their bid for the Titans will help a Gold Coast NRL team become a truly sustainable product by bringing another “metropolis” to the potential supporter base.

    The Bears are ready to submit a tender for the Titans when the NRL officially announces the process, something that is expected to happen as soon as next week after the successful sale of the Newcastle Knights.

    If successful with their bid, the Bears are planning to play 11 of their 12 home games on the Coast and chairman Perry Lopez says the foundation club’s tender should not be seen as a takeover.

    Instead, he has likened it to the South Melbourne Football Club’s transition to the Sydney Swans, with the history and supporters of the foundation organisation integrated into the new outfit, while adding a new population base of fans to help the club grow.

    “If you look at the Swans and South Melbourne, when the South Melbourne Football Club folded and decided that they had to change or else they would die, they came to Sydney,” Lopez said.

    “The Sydney Swans have always maintained that they are part of the South Melbourne Football Club.

    “And the South Melbourne Football Club is always part of the Swans.

    “(The Bears buyout of the Titans) is the same model. It drives two communities together to ensure the sustainability of a club and a fantastic football region in the Gold Coast and now we can have an emerging region on the North Shore.

    “It’s really fantastic opportunity for rugby league.”

    The NRL has made it clear it wants a club on the Gold Coast and any Bears buyout would not include a relocation of the club.

    “This isn’t about taking rugby league away from the Gold Coast, that’s got to be driven out of the communication,” Lopez said.

    “It’s not about a North Sydney takeover at all.

    “This is about a Gold Coast franchise driving sustainability, IP, heritage club, colours and it’s a similar, if not the same kind of model you’ve seen with the Swans.

    “And look how prosperous they’ve become.”

    A successful Bears bid would mean the end for the Titans brand though.

    The Bears moniker would be used, along with the club’s intellectual property, logos and branding giving the Gold Coast its sixth incarnation after the Giants, Seagulls, Gladiators, Chargers and Titans.

    It’s the point that will be the hardest sell for the Bears consortium, with the NRL wary of more change after a period of relative stability after the financial troubles that almost sent the club under more than two years ago.

    But Lopez said change was needed.

    “(The Titans) have done a great job to get to where they are today but I think we need to rethink how rugby league is going to survive and prosper on the Gold Coast,” he said.

    “When you look at membership for example, you need to be growing membership to a point where you can get to 20,000 and drive additional revenues for the club and foot traffic.

    “I just don’t think it’s do-able on the Coast.

    “You need a new model, a model that’s going to bring another metropolis and that’s what this does.

    “The colours and the IP that this new consortium can use brings all of the people who were Bears supporters back into the fray and they get an opportunity to become part of a club again.

    “That means revenue, that means more people coming to games, more eyeballs on the TV, it just is a fantastic model.”

    The Bears are far from the only option though.

    Titans White Knight and current board member Darryl Kelly has assembled a group of local businesspeople - including the family of chairwoman Rebecca Frizelle – ready to support the club to stay on the Coast and has a business plan he believes can be at least cost neutral.

    Two other Gold Coast groups are also understood to be interested to tender when the NRL officials puts the club to sale.

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    I really don't like the idea of the Gold Coast Bears for some reason. Would prefer someone else kept them as the Titans.
     
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    IIRC the japanese bloke was in the cupboard because they'd given him a job to look after supplies. Fifty years after VJ day someone opened the door and the bloke jumped out shouting 'Supplies!'
     
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    The Bears were a foundation club. History needs respecting. The trouble is they actually need more NRL Sydney clubs gone.
     
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    Artificially attaching the Bears to the Gold Coast has nothing to do with respecting history imo.

    It feels more like Frankenstein's monster.
     
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    If they took over the Warriors they could be the NZ Teddy Bears.
     
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    More like NZ Hold My Beer ... ;)
     
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    Would you guys please remember that god is a rugby league fan.:angelic:
     
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    This just in :

    A third party mystery buyer has now put in joint bid for Gold Coast Titans, putting North Sydney Bears buy out of club in some serious jeopardy :


    Rival buyer emerges as NRL puts Gold Coast Titans up for sale
    BY TRAVIS MEYN, @TRAVISMEYN, The Courier-Mail

    A CASHED-UP mystery consortium has emerged as a genuine threat to Gold Coast white knight Darryl Kelly’s bid to buy the Titans.

    The NRL will today put the Titans up for sale after offloading Newcastle last week and the governing body is expecting a flood of interest in the Glitter Strip franchise.

    Kelly will meet with potential investors this week, including club chairwoman Rebecca Frizelle, to finalise the consortium’s takeover proposal.

    But he is facing stiff competition from at least one other group which has secretly flagged interest with the NRL.

    The group is separate to the North Sydney Bears, who have declared their interest in buying the club, but the NRL is reluctant for the Gold Coast to undergo a rebranding from the Titans to Bears.

    The NRL is expecting more competition for the Gold Coast franchise than the Knights, whose buyer Wests Group was the only viable option at the negotiating table.

    In 2013, Kelly saved the financially stricken Titans, investing in the club along with Indian property tycoon Anshuman Magazine.

    Less than two years later, the NRL took over the club after Kelly and fellow owners decided they could no longer prop up the loss-making business.

    Kelly is estimated to have lost at least $5 million during his first ownership of the Titans but he is now better prepared to invest again.

    “This time I know the business. Last time it was purely emotional as I was trying to help them out,” he said.

    Kelly, a successful property developer, and his fellow investors have formulated plans to provide the Titans with income streams from outside the club.

    The Titans lost $2.6 million last year — an $800,000 improvement on 2015 — and the NRL is keen for the new owners to have concrete plans to fund the club.

    If the players are successful in lobbying for a larger salary cap than proposed, clubs will have less to spend on their operations from the $13 million annual grant they will receive from the NRL.

    The NRL is also keen for the club to be owned locally and will open its books to potential investors next week.

    “Now the Knights have new owners, our focus will be on the sale of the Titans,” an NRL spokesman said.

    “We will move into a sales process and look for expressions of interest. We are confident there will be several strong bids for the club and we will look to have the club sold before the end of the year.”

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    Mystery consortium? Sounds quite Bondish.

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    Maybe they could get Shirley Bassey to sing their new promotional song: "GoldTitan"
     
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    Its Owen Glenn. He gonna buy them, move them to Auckland and rename them the "New Zealand Fuck-You-Erics".

    They just got their first fan. If Eric still can't figure a way to make coach and players win, or to punish stupidity, then I will back anyone to show him he is a loser.
     
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    Is there not an opportunity to build a second division with other aspirational clubs in? Bottom club from NRL gets relegated assuming top club in second division meets various financing and stadium criteria? That way maybe clubs like NS Bears would have a route back in. Chance for another NZ based club to work its way into NRL as well.

    You could hardly call a Gold Coast club The Bears given the history
     
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    Promotion relegation works in English football but doesn't really export that well. I cannot even remember them having it in Sydney. There is too much capital investment required from a small population. Even in England there are a group of yo yo clubs that keep going back and forth aren't there? As for the name the Bears were a foundation club in the NRL and were only kicked out through dirty tactics by Manly. There is a lot of history there worth preserving.

    Has he got any money left? I thought his mates had it tied up and he was having to sue for it. Bloody good rumour to start though:D
     
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    Owen can buy Carlaw Park and base them there. That would at least get rid of bruce for us...
     
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    The Titans brand is worth persevering with.
    If they can get it together consistently on the field (sound familiar?) and off, the supporters will come back.
    I can tell you there's a lot of love for them all over the Goldy but their dramas and failings have left a bad taste and people are gun shy.
    I'm not against the Bears coming in if that's the way it goes but it's gonna be a hard sell for quite a while..of course success on the field would speed up the process.
    But I just don't see the Bears history connecting with the masses up here.
    As much as all of the Gold Coast franchises since 88 have been mainly woeful, I hope the Titans can get solid ownership and continue to build a history of their own.
     
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    How would it work with the bears essentially having the same colour scheme as us now?
     
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    BEARS PLOTTING SEA EAGLES TAKEOVER:

    A GROUP of high-powered entrepreneurs will align themselves with the Bears to try and commit one of the greatest acts of revenge in rugby league’s 110-year history — buying the Manly Sea Eagles.

    The Daily Telegraph understands the looming consortium bid — which will be backed by the Bears — has been rolling along secretly for several months.

    Another meeting is scheduled for this week, possibly on Tuesday, which may include senior officials from Norths. The meeting could prove pivotal.

    There is little doubt the famous yet discarded foundation club would enjoy immense satisfaction from buying a club that has overshadowed them for decades.

    The businessmen are known to be high-flyers yet immensely private. They are also shrewd, passionate and ruthless. Their identities remain a mystery but they are circling the under-siege Sea Eagles.

    It is understood they have been holding in-depth meetings with a number of international business houses in up-market North Sydney to garnish support.

    The financially flourishing North Sydney Leagues Club would also play a key factor in any bid.

    Norths are still seething after Manly walked away with the NRL licence when the ill-fated Northern Eagles joint-venture collapsed in 2002.

    Manly’s majority owners, the Penn family, have repeatedly claimed their club isn’t for sale.

    But dramas on and off the field in recent weeks have drained Sea Eagles chairman Scott Penn. Ironically, the Penn family business is based in the heart of North Sydney.

    Penn did not respond when contacted via text message.

    There would appear little doubt the Penn family would listen to any offer that is financially attractive.

    But it would mean the end of famous Manly after 71 years in existence. It was catastrophic at Brookvale.

    Talks are still in their infancy and Penn would be under excruciating pressure to keep Manly given the public outcry from Sydney’s northern beaches should he sell the famous club, logo, colours and history to their old foes.

    It would however be a stunning return should the Bears somehow acquire Manly’s NRL licence.

    Should the Bears return, the plan would see matches played at North Sydney Oval and Central Coast Stadium. Norths would use the iconic Bears logo.

    All officials contacted by The Daily Telegraph either preferred not to comment or were unaware of what was unfolding.

    It is known that the businessmen behind the push would earn a cut if a deal can be secured. Momentum is slowly building.

    The bid team hope Manly might sell for between $4m to $5m — but that figure would seem low given the New Zealand Warriors sold last week for $20m. The Sea Eagles are though struggling financially.

    No formal business plan has yet been formulated but initial signs show a deal would be feasible.

    Bears officials are quietly aware of moves by a consortium but haven’t been included yet in the bulk of discussions.

    There is also alleged interest for Manly from China, Russia and Qatar.

    The Bears recently failed in their bid to take control of the then fledgling Gold Coast Titans.

    Norths have been desperate for a return to the NRL for the past 16 years. The Sea Eagles and Bears have a long and healthy dislike for each other on the northside of Sydney.

    Manly has lurched from one disaster to another this year on and off the field. The low points being the Jackson Hastings drama and the salary cap scandal from earlier this year.

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    Would actually rather the Bears than Manly tbh. Even though theyre still crying about it after 16 years the Bears kinda did get screwed.
    Makes more sense to have an actual north Sydney team rather than a peninsula off to the side representing the area and at least this way it’s a brand with history rather than a new plastic made up team.