General Discussion NRL Salary Cap Thread

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  1. Mr Frank White
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    Nope, because the contract needs to registered first. No contract, no grounds.

    The contract doesn't exist if the NRL doesn't register it.
     

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    Nope, because the contract with the Dogs doesn't exist. Plus the new NRL contract would still be market value.

    Simple contract law
     
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    mt.wellington ABOVE THE LINE

    No way should we sign Foran again. The guy isnt right. Might come right once he sees his kids on the regular but he wont do so here. Thats a gamble that didnt pay off for Doyle...
     
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    Market value isn't a singular figure so that part isn't relevant. For all we know the Dogs are paying overs.

    Isn't a contract a contract once its been signed between two parties (Dogs and Foran/Woods)? The NRL may have to register it so they can play for the team but if a player has planned and rearranged their entire life based on a contract then has it taken away due to gross mismanagement then surely there's grounds for retribution should the player fail to get a comparable offer elsewhere?

    I don't know enough about the law to comment with any authority but if both the Dogs and players have signed off on something then surely it exists in some capacity?
     
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    Inruin Walk Them Out

    to my way of thinking if a club and a player sign a contract for $x then that is binding. It is up to the club to ensure they are under the cap and the contract gets registered. That may mean that the player gets payed for doing absolutely nothing if it doesn't and won't affect that clubs cap. im sure most players want to be playing though and not sitting out seasons. unless there is a clause which states the player/contract must be registered by the nrl to become valid.
     
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    Because they contract wont be valid unless registered by the NRL. Mostly due to stipulations in the contract.

    I'll put it this way.

    You sign player X for next season.
    After signing the contract, player X decides to sell crack to his buddies. And in the off-season the NRL finds out and subsequently refuses to register his new contract.

    If you have a stipulation that the contract is only valid if registered by the NRL, youre fine.
    If not, or it's the way you claim, youre on the hook for a player that can't play.

    So if youre a lawyer writing NRL contracts, which option do you think you follow?

    Same situation as players leaving mid contract to go overseas. No longer NRL, no longer bound by contract terms, no salary cap hit.
     
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    That was my way of thinking too, but like I said, I don't really know enough to speak with authority on the subject and the law doesn't always follow the simple path.

    You could be onto something about it not being valid if the NRL don't sign off on it.

    Although that could potentially open another can of worms depending on how long the NRL give the Dogs to get compliant.
     
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    Of course you would have a clause included stating that the contract would have to be registered, to be valid.
    It's beyond negligent of the club to offer contracts without that clause
     

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    there must be some recourse for the player though also. Particularly when in a limited work environment. Signs in good faith and then not registered because club is over the cap. Misses out on other potential contracts as other clubs have filled their rosters with other players.
     
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    Also if the contract *was* still valid, while not being registered, that would also prevent the player from taking up a contract with another club...
    Okay I'll explain it this way. The 10-day cooling off period actually refers to the period of time before the NRL registers a contract.

    If the contracts were binding before NRL registration, then backflips would be impossible. And DCE wouldn't have been able to reneg on the Titans deal
     
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    so if we take woods or Foran as an example. The 10 days are up, the NRL haven't registered the contracts as far as i am aware, until the dogs can show they will be under the cap. Where does that leave the players?
     
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    mt.wellington ABOVE THE LINE

    Does the salary cap trump contract negotiations? Meaning if a players contract takes a club over the cap wouldnt that contract be deemed illegal???
     
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    With us, because there is no reason that the NRL wouldnt register their contracts with us. As at the time they wouldn't have a valid contract preventing them and us from doing so.
     
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    This is a related read about Hopoates contract woes.

    But if you read through there are some interesting points, regarding the Salary Cap Auditors authority to reject contracts for non-compliance.

    Link has been hidden. Please Register to view.
     
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    From the article above

    ...NRL Playing Contract would be rejected by the Salary Cap Auditor for non-compliance, with the parties given the opportunity to remedy the deficiencies or avoid the NRL Playing Contract all together.10 This would give either party an opportunity, at this juncture, to argue that the Playing Contract was now void as the terms agreed were not capable of being fulfilled...
     
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    Its going to be a shit fight as clubs have filled there teams fron next year and a player can not say i will play for $200000 as its below their market value.
    We could come out smelling like roses.
     
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    Inruin Walk Them Out

    but we know Foran has signed with the dogs so hypothetically speaking we go and manage to sign James Maloney. Our cap is spent. The dogs are over spent. Foran is just left in limbo with a worthless bit of paper?
     
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    Bingo.

    Contracts are only valid within a sphere and its rules. And legislation and regulations override contracts.

    Ie you can't sign a contract to work for less than minimum wage, as legislation invalidates such a contract.

    NRL runs the NRL sphere, so it's rules and regulations govern NRL contracts, and would hold the power to invalidate contracts on a number of reasons
     
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    Yes, but he doesn't even have the paper as that technically doesn't exist.

    He may have grounds for a civil suit against the Dogs, the board, and the CEO for negligence, failure to perform duties etc.
     
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    Also as I have found out after researching on this topic, is NRL player contracts are standard, written by the NRL.
    All you can change is players names and remuneration amounts.

    Therefore you bet your bottom dollar the NRL will stipulate that the contract is only valid as long as they say it is.
     
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