General Discussion NRL Salary Cap Thread

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  1. Navigator
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    Yet Des hassler has come out ttoday and told bulldog fans the Woods and Foran with be at the club next year.
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    Reading this I'm assuming what some clubs have been doing is backloading salaries on the assumption that by the time they fall due the salary cap will have gone up sufficiently to cover them? Bloody stupid/negligent if this is what they've done
     
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    mt.wellington ABOVE THE LINE

    Lets not forget the NRL effectively pay for all player contracts...
     
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    Yup, so they would have to hold final say over validity being the employer.

    Also as above, yeah Des may guarantee they'll be there, but they may have to gut the club to do it.
     
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    They probably look something like this:
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    And there is the smoking gun..

    SECTION 23: REGISTRATION
    23.1 Agreement subject to Registration
    The Player and the Club acknowledge, and hereby agree, that this
    Agreement is subject to and conditional upon the Player becoming
    registered as a Player in the GROUP___ Competition, and further, the
    Player and the Club acknowledge, and hereby agree, that in the event that
    registration of the Player is refused by the GROUP___ this Agreement will
    be of no force or effect.
     
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    I'm assuming the way this must work is the NRL look at the proposed salary on the contract and either agree to the contract being completed, or write to the club saying it can't be completed until at least $xxx,000 is taken out of the clubs salary roster first
     
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  8. Mr Frank White
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    I think they would simply say "hey youre over the cap, this contract will not be registered until you are"

    Which opens up other clubs being able to sign the same player
     
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    this also highlights the problem with a back ended deal.....Does anyone know if the Warriors favour back ended deals?
     
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    mt.wellington ABOVE THE LINE

    Think most clubs do dont they in the hope that if the player doesnt work out they can walk away from the final huge payment or at least shop them around. Isnt that the issue with James Graham at the moment???
     
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    well yes i guess so and I suppose Farrah was in the same boat at the Tigers...seems to me a back ended deal probably favors the club more than the player. Unless the player has a massive form slump and digs their heals in to stay!
     
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    Of course the club prefers it. It's kicking the can down the road for another coach, board or salary cap to deal with.
     
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    I think you might be confusing the "non-compliance" with "illegal", if the contract is signed between two parties it's binding and that is how a court of law will look at it first and foremost however the NRL are simply administering rules around the salary cap that the competition functions around. The NRL can choose not to register a players contract by a club if it is in breach of the rules meaning they can't play, but the contract is still a valid agreement and in the laws view it will be the fault of the employer(club). The RLPA are digging in, in an effort to secure 29% of the new broadcasting deal to alleviate this problem for the players, this will protect the "non-compliant" clubs, corrupt player agents and increase the RLPA's hold on power within all rugby league..

    If the "non-compliant" contracts weren't legally valid then there would be no talk of players being released to take up subsidised contracts at other clubs.
     
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    NRL pays the players. NRL contract states the contract is only valid if it's duly registered. Ergo contract isnt registered, you pursue legal action, and the NRL rightly point that subsection 23. renders the entire agreement invalid.

    Not sure how it could be any clearer.

    It's binding as long as all conditions contained with a contract a met.
     
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    So if a player signs with a club and the contract isn't registered after ten days the. The player has the option of signing for another club or waiting and hoping that the club they signed with sorts their issues out?
     
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    No they don't, the club pays the player generally from the grant they receive from the NRL.
    Might be clearer if you showed us subsection 23

     
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    Sorry it's Section 23 and I posted it in this thread
     
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    gREVUS Long live the Rainbows and Butterflies

    depends on if its a contract between 2 parties like you have stated. Or in this situation a contract between three parties. I believe Frank is right, they have no basis to complain until the contract is signed by all parties
     
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    gREVUS Long live the Rainbows and Butterflies

    im making an assumption here, but the NRL wont sign any contracts that take the club over the limit, therefore, not illegal as they cant exist.
     
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    gREVUS Long live the Rainbows and Butterflies

    A simpler way of looking at it is the term registration. To be registered the contract must be signed by the NRL as the third party. Their due diligence is to confirm that the club has not overspent.
    No sig, no contract.
    Non player contracts are obviously only 2 party contracts.

    A positive out of this for players is that it should ensure that players get paid as the NRL as a vested interest, is now on the hook for the agreed salary.
     
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