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  1. mt.wellington
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    Anderson to be NRL referees' boss - report
    Published: 8:29PM Monday November 12, 2012 Source: AAP

    Former Parramatta and Warriors coach Daniel Anderson is set to be appointed the high-performance director of refereeing for the NRL.

    News Limited has reported that Anderson will take up the position for three years with the appointment to be made official later this week.

    The new refereeing structure approved by the Australian Rugby League Commission is expected to see veteran referee Tony Archer retire to become one of two full-time coaches.

    The other coach is tipped to be Englishman Russell Smith, who has been in an acting role since the sackings of Bill Harrigan and Stuart Raper last month.

    Harrigan and Raper were axed after a tumultuous year in the refereeing ranks in the NRL and representative rugby league with a number of controversial decisions including the try awarded to Queensland's Greg Inglis in State of Origin I.

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    Dont think it will change the bad calls we get or how all the 50/50 calls mostly go against us but that department definately needed a shake up after some of the howlers this year.

    First things I want to see changed is the stupid scrum rules and the inconsistant third man in rule.

    Anybody have any others or maybe remember some of the terrible ref calls this season...
     
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    The most recent shocker I can remember was the Kieran Foran knock on vs Cowboys in Finals footy.

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    Foran would later admit that he did knock it on but believes he didnt at the time!?

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    As mentioned in the original article

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    get rid of the marker not being square rule because their are never square for what I can see
     
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    Anderson gave a candid Interview on Radio sport about what he would do if he had the power to change things.

    No more moronic over analysis of rules if Anderson is true to his word.....if it looks like a knock on then probably is, thats the crux of it
     
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    Wonder if Anderson has a tape ready to take into the Refs room at halftime during next season's GF?
     
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    What are his credentials as a referees boss? Seems an unusual match.
     
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    Great to see someone with an understanding of tactics and a gameplan in charge. So many of the referees officiate by the letter of the rule book and seem to have no understanding of how the game they are reffing is actually being played. Hopefully Anderson can get the game to flow again without these jokers blowing the pea out of the whistle. At times this year its been like watching northern hemisphere union refs in action
     
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    Those are all the credentials I need. Also, please no more of this "separation" shit for tries. You really should need to have control to score in my opinion.

    Should be interesting to see how this goes for us. We'll find out how good Anderson is at holding a grudge...haha
     
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    Hear you there. So frustrating when the ball leaves their grip but is still in contact with a hair on their forearm so they award it. Full control or no control.

    And the 'torso' law. Only time the torso rule should apply is when you dive on the ball and its the first contact, like after a grubber kick. Not when you lose the ball but ground it with your torso anyway.

    Unless of course it goes in the favour of the Warriors...;)
     
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    'Benefit of the Doubt' try call may go

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    Thaiday wants ex-player on NRL refs panel

    Brisbane captain Sam Thaiday believes the ARL Commission (ARLC) should consider adding a retired player to its restructured NRL referees panel.

    Thaiday revealed players lost confidence in some referees and the video review system during a 2012 season littered by refereeing blunders.

    Referees co-coaches Bill Harrigan and Stuart Raper were both dumped as a result of a review of the refereeing system - with former NRL coach Daniel Anderson put in charge of the whistleblowers and Tony Archer and Russell Smith appointed as technical advisers.

    But while Thaiday was happy with the changes, he said the ARLC could go one step further by adding a player's perspective to the panel.

    "It was very frustrating for the players but hopefully having a coach (Anderson) on board will help get that consistency we all want," Thaiday told AAP.

    "Maybe they could put an ex-player on the panel as well to give it an even better understanding."

    Thaiday said players had become increasingly frustrated by the lack of consistency from match officials.

    The Bronco forward urged the ARLC to simplify rules surrounding the benefit-of-the-doubt call and controversial obstruction rules.

    "They were definitely very up and down last year," Thaiday said of the referees.

    "The video ref was a big issue for players.

    "You'd play one week and every decision would go upstairs and there'd be lots written in the papers about it.

    "The next week, they wouldn't go upstairs at all to take a look, even when it was worth it.

    "We need to get rid of the grey areas with the benefit-of-the-doubt rule and clarify what is obstruction and stick to them all year."

    Thaiday is still recovering from off-season shoulder surgery, which is expected to rule him out of the All-Stars game in Brisbane, though he remains hopeful of being fit to play in the opening round of the 2013 season.

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    Common sense approach really.

    Also, I wasnt sure whether to start another thread but a report will be released soon about the effects of the shoulder charge. This report could see it banned from the game. As a spectator I love a well executed shoulder charge with our very own Ben Matulino being one of the best at doing it. However, we have to concede that if its having a detrimental effect on the players health than it will sadly have to go. It will also have alot to do with any future legal action that the NRL may encounter as a result of players sustaining permanent long term head injuries such the NFL in America is facing at the moment.

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    Wasnt sure where to post this but the benefit of the doubt rule has been removed.

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    i feel sorry for refs as i believe they should rule exactly to the rules. the problem is always making the rules they have the best ones for the game and that they are clear enough to be easily understood. i dont like the idea of reffing on the "vibe" of things which seems to be what is being suggested.
     
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    New rule changes backed by ME.

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    An excerpt from the article : 'Meanwhile, Elliott, who took over as Warriors' coach after the club finished a disappointing third last this year ' ( third lol fk we wish )
     
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    The NRL's new referees boss Daniel Anderson. Picture: Phil Hillyard Source: The Australian

    NEW referees boss Daniel Anderson has welcomed his former coaching peers to help formulate this season's rule changes - starting with the bewildering obstruction law.

    All 16 club coaches received an email inviting them to a rules summit at League Central next Wednesday.

    The email foreshadowed subtle changes to laws involving restarts and tackles, and indicated whistleblowers would no longer use "dominant" calls to give tacklers more time on the ground.

    But the major talking points - obstruction, the shoulder charge, ruck speed and video referrals - will all be saved for Anderson's first major presentation since being appointed last November.

    Inviting the personal feedback of coaches had been a pre-season tradition until former referees bosses Bill Harrigan and Stuart Raper took matters into their own hands last year. They instead sent out guidelines that had already been decided in-house - and referees went on to endure perhaps their most miserable season on record.


    Harrigan and Raper were the highest-profile victims of last year's litany of drama, but current coaches are upbeat about Anderson's prospects because of his background at the Warriors, St Helens and the Parramatta Eels.

    "He has coached at so many different levels," Tigers coach Mick Potter said. "He knows all the rorts that happen around the ruck and the interference plays that are run."

    Getting a clear indication of what constitutes obstruction tops every coach's wish list.

    Manly Sea Eagles coach Geoff Toovey said: "Last year the obstruction rule was just ridiculous."

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    Great to see Daniel Anderson reintroducing this summit. The referee's had a shocker last year and Bill Harrigans handling over most of the bad calls was silly to say the least. No doubt the refs will still make quite afew bad calls, my hope is they at least down on them and front up when they do...
     
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    I had no idea about this. I'm not sure if it explains why there were so many terrible decisions last year but surely it had to count for something.
     
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    NRL referees boss Daniel Anderson needed to hold his nerve over obstruction rule, writes Matty Johns
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    Referees boss Daniel Anderson needed to hold his nerve and stand by his early season black-and-white interpretation of the obstruction rule.

    Instead, after a bombardment of criticism and pressure, he has compromised.

    This is a great shame because the game was poised to see the benefits of his previous zero tolerance stance.

    Phil Gould has been spot on by stating on several occasions that NRL coaches should be kept away from having a say on the rules.

    They base their beliefs purely on self interest. In this case they are fighting for attacking rights for "the good of the game". Meanwhile, they do the opposite by continuing to encourage wrestling holds and tactics, which are a blight on the code.

    The black-and-white ruling Anderson had brought in applied centrally to the second-man "block play" which has become the attacking weapon of choice for every NRL team.

    The tough stance of the video referees had some early teething problems. However, by week three, for the first time in a long while, the fans were given clarity.

    You might not have agreed with the interpretation. You might not have liked it. But at least we understood it and when a decision was sent up to the video referee we knew if a try was going to be awarded or disallowed.

    Unfortunately, pressure has been exerted - mainly from the coaches - and we now have a softening of the stance. The video ref will now be granted discretionary powers and once again the lines are blurred and the uncertainty creeps back in.

    But the greatest benefit the game was about to gain - forcing NRL coaches at long last to go and find another way to attack and, dare I say it, find their own style - has been lost.

    The outrage from a number of coaches over the obstruction crackdown highlights the over-reliance and dependency teams now have on these blocks, as they are referred to in the industry.

    These plays were perfected by Melbourne and now simply mimicked by every other team.

    Some have copied it well, while others try to do it but either don't have the understanding or the players to make it work.

    Nonetheless, they keep doing it. Madness. At least some coaches put their own spin on it.

    Des Hasler last year got his big Bulldogs forwards to use vision and skill with chain passing movements and was rewarded for it.

    Of course, rival coaches then started copying the Bulldogs' style as well.

    To sit down and watch each team try to do the same thing every week has become dangerously predictable for our game.

    Anderson's no tolerance policy on attacking decoy runners causing any sort of interference was about to force coaches and players to use some imagination and move away from this almost uniform game plan across the league.

    It should not have been up to Anderson and the referees to change or soften the ruling. It should have been up to the coaches to find a new way to create attacking opportunity.

    Getting paid big money to copy someone else's game plan sounds like stealing a living to me.

    What was interesting about last week's football is that while some coaches were busying themselves complaining about the obstruction rule, others had already started to adjust to it.

    Melbourne Storm hit Brisbane Broncos with an opening 20-minute blitz that brought about three superb tries that required no block plays.

    The Dragons' Steve Price finally coached away from the block structure, which had made his side highly predictable over the past 18 months, and they looked a different football team.

    Speed, footwork and energy were the features of the Dragons' win over the Sharks, with Price showing he can be his own man.

    The Knights' Jarrod Mullen is playing career-best football after being encouraged by Wayne Bennett to adopt a "pass short or pass long" style of play, rather than "pass short or out the back".

    The Roosters used Sonny Bill Williams in the same fashion on Monday night, while Souths' Michael Maguire used far fewer blocks as his team pulled apart the Bulldogs with short passing and clever little trick shots.

    Coaches adjust and change when they have to.

    That's why Anderson needs to be careful not to compromise his interpretations too much.

    Let the coaches find the compromise. In the not-too-distant past every team had their own unique style.

    Canberra were known for their wide passing movements and attacking brilliance, the Broncos for their unpredictability, the Tigers and Bulldogs were ruggedly tough and physical and Wests were downright brutal.

    Manly were the Flash Harrys, the Eels entertaining, the Panthers had the brilliance of Brandy and the menace of MG. And so on and so on.

    Each team had their own personality, their own game plan and their own playing style.

    Melbourne Storm have dominated the NRL for the past seven years. There are many reasons for this. Discipline, dedication, talent, know-how - I could go on. But another reason is that they are playing teams week in, week out, who seem content to be nothing more than watered down versions of themselves.

    Robbie Farah was interviewed after the Tigers' loss to Manly last Thursday night. His comment on the obstruction rule was: "It's like we can't use block plays in the attacking zone at all."

    My question in response is: "Why do you want to use block plays when you're not going to beat the Melbourne Storm using them anyway?"

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    They Missed an Opportunity to seal the deal in that Article with Mentioning the ' New Zealanders '

    Dummy half running off the prop rotation and the Off load razzle dazzle.....or the Ivan Hypnotic CIA mind control techniques ( Swapping Secound Rower A for Secound Rower B while the Opposition go " WTF they're all secound rowers ?!?! what happens now ?!?!? [ they kick to a 2nd rower on the fifth u twits mwahhhaaaha] ) thus cunningly buggering the Storm or any Robotic NRL Template with more 2nd Row Darleks in our Army than you've hat hot lunches sunny jim......

    but then It might have sunk the credibility of the whole thing mentioning a team that is 1/11
     
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    I agree with Matty Johns I have only read the headline, but my two reasons would be this. 1) I am not a fan of rule changes during the season, it shows a disrespect towards the integrity of the game. 2) If you dont want to get penalised, dont run into anyone, it really is that simple, you should be running at the hole anyway so go through the hole and then stop so that you can get back onside in the event that the play is still alive and provide support. The defense shouldnt have to avoid people who are in front of the ball carrier.