Player Discussion Stephen Kearney V2.0

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  1. Gizzyfan
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    SK used last season to find people who would take responsibility for their position and roles, and a willingness to do the extra work. The 1%ers.

    We also didn't see what was happening off the field with squad dynamics. Some, although good guys and players, were part of that bad Warriors culture. For them to be moved on was good for them and the Warriors, and I wish them all the best.
     
  2. Sup42
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    A comment in the Roosters forum, game day thread, reads:

    ' That had Brian Smith written all over it'.


    I wish I remember more of Smith's style just now.

    I know his sides were bloody consistent and no fun to play against .. I do remember wishing we had him here, purely on the basis that him and a small handful of coaches would consistently out think the Warriors.

    I am sure Smith has a lot of influence and gives his advice freely. Kearney has always been the type to draw on the expertise of others it is one of his unquestionable coaching strengths.

    Kearney is not a prideful man, when we were getting a hiding in a tournament he got Wayne Bennett on the phone to challenge the Kiwis, all Bennett recons he said was "you talk about the brotherhood,,,,the way you are playing your talk means nothing".

    That was enough to fire them up to smash the Kangaroos in the final.

    A Lot of coaches wouldn't go there...wouldn't ask another coach to say something to their team (baring in mind this is years down the track from when Kearney brought Bennett into the Kiwis camp).

    Kearney is a transformed man these days.

    He used to sit in the coaches box catatonic, googly eyed, and not interacting with his staff.

    Recent shots of Kearney when everything is on the line, you see him standing, he looks bloody calm for what's really going on in those 'coaches snap shot moments' the telly like to capture.

    Weirdly Cappy and Iro look like the ones stressing, not a smile between them...that's probably a good thing...Kearney has matured into a fearsome figure of a leader.

    One point Kearney and Bennett never agreed on, was the idea of a Kiwi way of doing things, a kiwi culture if you like.

    Bennett reckoned treat everyone the same.

    I think when you come from an Australian dominated sporting culture of success it is pretty easy to lose sight of the Matrix you are in.

    The trick seems to be...to steer clear of using culture as an excuse, and instead use it as a strength and a call to a Brotherhood of men.

    More than once I have heard an Aussie commentator exclaim " they look like an NRL side" and I agree with that completely.

    Sides have styles, ours has always been a second phase game, an unpredictability, the use of unique individuals that can do things the rest of the NRL cannot.

    One change after 2017 spent guarding possession, is that we make safe offloads, this has been picked up on by fox coverage of games, the majority of our off loads are directly backwards to someone who should be able to catch it quite easily (usually Isaac Luke at dummy half, it was noticeable when he forgot the plan in the roosters game, and dropped two perfectly fine Paasi Offloads cold).

    I noticed Paasi drop his head in shame when those offloads fell to the ground, two in a row. I know this guys family a bit and that is a family trait, they are very humble / accountable people when things don't work...I've seen that look before.

    That is the only time I've seen Blake Green and Roger go over to someone and give him a pat and probably say it's ok man...to me that shows how close they all are and how they know he is not the type of player you need tell off for mistakes.

    He has put the Offload away now. Which is fine, but I hope he brings it back, because there is a story within a story here, an offload on debut in 2014 against the Broncos saw him hooked from the field and he was lost to us like so many development players from our past.

    I think if you look at Lisone (as others have said) and his careful deliberate determination to do a job and not stray, you're looking at the poster boy of the process.

    The process is......can you listen to a coach....can you keep listening to a coach...

    Are you teachable ?!?!? that's the process in my estimation.

    The players who have gone tended to know better. We created the ill environment where you needn't listen to the coach...the coach gone next week anyway..he seems to be the only one in the dressing room not in on the joke...and then message will change all over again....so why listen.

    The other problems I saw was that when things were working (winning streaks under Cappy and McFadden, some modest success with Bluey for periods) as soon as a key player was out, we would use it as an excuse to fold...or was it because the players hadn't - well and truly accepted the game plan will overcome all adversity ? Every time we would have a good run, the game plan looked sound, as soon as we lost one, the players stopped doing what was working.

    Turn that on the head in 2018. Key players missing, performance doesn't change one little bit, the game plan wins it, not the individual star players.

    That is entirely about coaching...and part of that is assembling a group of players that will live and die by the game plan.

    If we want to be successful for the next decade, we now have the foundation of what works, get the right type of player and if they don't listen, they don't play and they don't stick around.

    I have been trying to compare our new style to other sides. The goal line defence is the same as the Storm, Manly, Roosters, and Rabbitohs when those sides were peaking. Something that is bloody amazing if you let that sink in.

    Our overall style is closest to the Dragons.

    Soon we are going to run into our nemesis, the team that always takes us apart. It is going to be interesting to see if our newly adopted style, the one they have been playing forever, upsets their Rhythm.

    Mobile backs and forwards, lots of offloads, very tidy in defence. low error rate.



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  3. francis faafua
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    being in the warrior envoirment he was..dont get me wrong..he was my favourite player..but you just sensed that some of them just turned up for their paychecks
     
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    Kearney also raised the average of the squad by a couple of years, and brought in FG depth in all positions.

    Our depth this season is very solid.

    Halves - SJ, Green, Lino
    Backs - Fus, RTS, Kata, Maumalo, Hiku, Ayshford, Beal.
    Props - Afoa, Gavet, Passi, Lisone, Vete, Satae, Sao.
    Back Row - Mannering, Harris, Blair, Pulu, Link has been hidden. Please Register to view..
    Hooker - Luke, Roach, Tevaga.

    25 players who we can potentially trust to get the job done in a Grand Final. Which means we should win the season long war of attrition.:D
     
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    Kidwell here, thought I would pop in and fix that for you Jonno ;)
     
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    its not new..teamwork..i've always mentioned to my family & friends the warriors team for quite a while now ,until this season have never really looked close as a team..all individuals that played as such..so now as we've seen ,good fitness good leadership group & a good style of play that everyone is enjoying...i always reckoned once our club finally hits our potential..we'll not only win a grand final..but 2 or 3 in a row [ i know i know i should calm down lol ] but we finally have the right ppl doing good things for OUR CLUB ps i dont care how many bandwagon supporters there are..the more the merrier
     
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    Funny you say that - I was just thinking the other day how much more composed RTS looks when he speaks to the media. He sounded so FOB last year and this year he's so articulate and well constructed with his messages and communication. He's even improved speaking to refs in terms of manipulating certain calls or getting us more time on our line without coming across obnoxious or rude. He might not be there yet but RTS is not just shaping up as one our best players but one of our finest leaders. Impeccable character, work ethic and skill. Same goes for Kearney - was so ummmmm and aahhhhh last year and i think it was because he really had to hold his tongue or think about his answers as to not face repercussion from saying the wrong thing at a time when the team was struggling so much. This year hes so much more confident in his messages and spiel. On a unrelated topic - haven't seen much of Andrew McFadden lately. He was always running out drinks and speaking to guys or addressing them in the sheds. It looks like hes been told to take a backseat and let Kearney do his thing.
     
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    Perhaps, however I still maintain that people confuse his introversion with a bad attitude. I also don't believe his contribution was anywhere near as bad as others make out, particularly when you consider his injuries. He added a lot more to the team in 2017 than Hoffman ever did and yet Hoffman's attitude is never questioned. If my memory serves me right then the Warriors did at least attempt to re-sign Matulino, however they never even considered holding onto Hoffman.
     
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    Sometimes I wonder how much of a Shadow our former leaders cast over the young guys.

    Seeing Bunty and Papalii go next level after Mutts and Lilliman leave is interesting.

    Not having Simon there either seemed to let the sunlight fall on others,

    They talk about losing becoming a habit, the same being true of winning, They talk about things getting stale whether you are winning or not.

    The one word the Warriors use more than any other,...this years buzz word is energy.

    Having a good mix of new people always brings energy. Sides talk about the enthusiasm that young players bring...they talk about it being infectious.

    Our bench rather than being conventional is stacked with high energy players. Positions on the bench, actual positional specialists has been thrown out the window in favor of the new.

    Pretty ballsy move and it will keep us guessing on team naming day every week.

    Satae probably didn't show that energy when he got a run (played a conventional big man role).

    Without using the Word Process, Josh Massoud described how Kearney works is the Melbourne model.

    Every player has a very specific role. The reason this has not worked for Kearney till now is that he has not had the cattle.

    Part of the issue is finding players that are capable of sticking to a role, part of this is limited by players ego's, Players have to be able to put aside their egos for it to work.

    Masoud blames last year on the mentality of the players. He talks about how players want to be superstars rather than restrict themselves to specific roles.

    Massoud mentions Foran a fair bit, he accuses the club of cruelty wheeling him out when he wasn't fit to play, and now they don't have to do that anymore.

    Good on Radio sport for acknowledging they overlooked the Warriors yesterday mumblings of having too much on as there excuse hehe) and Massoud for reminding them that the Warriors are the story of the NRL.
    Great interview, really good sports journalism.

    The Warriors are flying high, the test is what the do when they lose. It's the only untested factor in all this.

    As Massoud pointed out, they have faced very different types of adversity in all there games this year, they have that promising ability to adjust and win different ways.
     
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    The whole process conversation/confusion over Kearneys tenure has been pretty funny. You often hear other coaches and players use the word process or processes at different times, it's just not as prevalent. It just so happens to be Kearney's buzzword, so the players and himself beat it to death in interviews for everyone to hear. Wether it be your individual process, the teams attacking process, or the defensive process. It all ties together and effectively means the same thing, it's just another word for game plan.
     
  11. Sup42
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    Fixed that for you....
     
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    absolutely ..and i think we should give some credit to george cameron as well...too many times in the past, have a review & what happens..same shit different yr..he sat down with sk & pinpointed all the problem areas in the club..too many ppl getting paid while contributing fk all..onwards & upwards is where we're headed
     
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    Saw slothfield on telly last night swallowing his pride and admitting he was wrong about Kearney (pronounced car-knee even after being corrected) saying he was expecting him to be first coach sacked and Warriors to get the spoon but has been proven otherwise
     
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    I think it starts from the top, and a major factor in our success has been Watson deciding finally to fork out the money for some quality experienced staff in Smith and Corvo and possibly O’Suillivan also.

    Kearney justifiably deserves a lot of plaudits for our achievements this year but I think he needed some help to produce the results that we have had this year. It will also make him a better coach in the long term having had Smith to bounce ideas off.
     
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    Also mentioned on the Eels forum re: Warriors Vs Cowboys

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    Cheeky git I' read it as an attack on Kearney couldn't coach like that, they got to be using Brian Smith.

    I don't recall Brian Smith using his forwards like backs and doing set plays
    The only thing I see similar is our current Defence but one could argue Defence is just attitude.
    Our 2011 team could scramble well on Defence when they were on.

    As far as I'm aware Brian Smith has nothing whatsoever to do with the coaching staff.
    I'm thinking coincidential - I think we are more Brian Smith on Steroids...

    Well Done Mr Kearney!
     
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    All credit to SK, but don't under estimate the value for SK having Smith as an advisor. It was a relationship I was worried about but obviously there are clear delineated roles.
     
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    If we can achieve the same results attack wise that Smith produced with Parra 2001 we will go
    a long way to winning the comp. The Parra team of 2001 still holds the record for points scored
    in a season. (Pity they shit themselves in the GF)
     
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    I don't think so much an advisor but more an analyst. Saw him at the Rotorua trial & he had a clipboard & was busy writing after every play...Kearney had oversight & I think Smith was noting details for him on the individual players. Made sense to me because his role as Football Manager is player development, retention & recruitment...excellent support & sounding board for a coach imo.
     
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    That maybe so but he made 4 Grand finals 2 with St George , 1 each with Parramatta and the Roosters and lost them all.
    So you could say his style wasn't without its faults and surely didn't work when it mattered most.
    This is 4 Grandfinals from 1992 - 2010, a span of nearly 20 years.

    We have a style going now that is somewhat similar but also has (I would like to think) a bit of the Warriors of old about it.
     
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    Ur welcome, don’t mention it.