General Discussion Warriors Stats 2018

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    Johnson wants to bring back 'Warriors football'

    It was the term that once made them one of the most entertaining sides to watch and halfback Shaun Johnson promises a return to "Warriors football" following a lacklustre 2017.

    Several of the Warriors' stats last season point to them being a top-four, or at least a top-eight side, which they have not been since their 2011 grand final appearance.

    In areas that would please any NRL coach, they finished last season with the highest overall completion rate at 79.7%, and the equal-fewest errors with 225 (9.4 per game) - ahead of even the ever-disciplined Melbourne Storm in both categories.


    The Warriors averaged the fifth-most metres gained per set, at 43.2.

    They managed to get Roger Tuivasa-Sheck involved regularly, with the star fullback touching the ball the eighth-most out of all fullbacks in good ball sets (188 touches, 7.8 per game).

    And for those fans calling for Johnson to take the line on more, last season the Warriors pivots finished with the sixth-most runs from a halves pairing (445 runs, 18.5 per game).

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    However, these stats failed to result in a decent overall attack.

    A far cry from the flair that used to be associated with the Auckland-based club, in 2017 the Warriors offered up the third-fewest offloads with 181 at 7.5 per game, eventually finishing 13th in points scored.

    "Warriors football" had fallen by the wayside.

    The talk out of the Warriors camp all pre-season has been about the side adopting a new, more expansive style of play.

    Johnson acknowledged his side may have become bogged down by trying to play simple football, and promised change was coming.

    "I think fans should expect a more expansive style. Last year I think we went a bit into our shells and focussed on completions more than playing a bit of that Warriors football," Johnson said.

    "I can't tell you exactly what it's going to look like but as of right now we want to play what we see.

    "When we first came in this year the brains trust [coaching staff] made it pretty clear that we would look to do things a little different this year so we just have to all buy into it."

    Johnson's new halves partner Blake Green says Saturday's trial against the Gold Coast Titans will be a good opportunity to try and implement the new game plan.

    "We have come up with a style that we think is going to best suit us as a team," he said.

    Green believes across the board, the Warriors have big athletic ball carriers and his role will be to get them the ball in space as much as possible.

    His statement is reinforced by the total metres per position stats of 2017.

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    Last year the Warriors led the NRL in metres at both the hooker and wing positions, as well as finishing second in total metres from fullback and by the second row.

    As disappointing as the Warriors defensive stats have been in recent times, the lack of flair on attack was on display more than ever last season.

    But the players and coaching staff believe they have come up with a system that could see the return of Warriors football - where the ball is moved at will and players like Johnson are free to play what they see.

    Fans will get to see for themselves this Saturday when the New Zealand club takes on the Titans from the Sunshine Coast, at 5pm.


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    Interesting article stat wise, the one that stands out to me is the meters gained per set, ranked 5th in the Nrl.

    We know the wingers are doing much of the donkey work as is RTS, getting more out of a fitter pack with more footwork this season we should be finishing our sets deeper downfield where Greens kicking game will prove to be more effective than SJ’s bomb from the opposition 30.

    The stats indicate the fundamentals are there, how we choose to play a more ad-lib style of footy without going to lateral will be the test.

    I don’t wanna see “Warrior Football” if it’s all sideways and ends in a knock-on, they still have to play direct and maintain their high completions.
     
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    Top stats from NRL trial in Rotorua
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    While it was very much a preseason workout, some impressive statistical efforts emerged from the Vodafone Warriors’ 20-14 NRL trial win over Melbourne in Rotorua on Saturday.

    Despite combinations constantly changing, the Vodafone Warriors achieved a solid completion rate of 25 from 35 sets (71 per cent) with just eight errors.

    On defence, they had 16 missed tackles and only eight ineffective tackles.

    Among the forwards, the leading performers were Bunty Afoa (12 runs, 115 metres, 28 tackles, 0 misses), Ligi Sao (11 runs, 113 metres, 24 tackles, 0 misses), Leivaha Pulu (11 runs, 96 metres, 23 tackles, 1 miss), James Gavet (9 runs, 93 metres, 15 tackles, 0 misses) and Isaiah Papalii (29 tackles, 1 miss).


    Best of the backs for metres gained was 18-year-old Rotorua-raised Hayze Perham, who was at fullback in his debut appearance for the club in the second half. He made 112 metres from 10 runs and topped the team tally for supports (10). Halfback Mason Lino made 75 metres from 10 runs, had a try assist, 12 kicks for 305 metres and 18 tackles.

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    Usually looking at those stats we would be going off on the team. I was surprised at the completed sets and missed tackles. What glossed over those was their fitness and their determination to preserve their goal line. The Titans tries came from strange incidents and rulings. From the last few years this is not Warriors like,

    In summary a lot of good things came out of the trial, everyone went well, even Lisone gets a pass mark from me on 2nd look. However, he is one that needs to pick it up a lot more. I also believe they kept powder dry. They set up for things then didn't follow through. It was a good trial that showed a lot of good things and a lot of work ons. Just what you want really.
     
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    Their offloading game still hasn't really been sighted yet, only 6 offloads against the Titans and perhaps less against the Storm, whether that's by accident or design it's hard too say.

    If the idea this season is to play more of what you see then with defenses being so structured it's more through second phase that those opportunities are going to arise so I thought these trials would've been a good place to practice that part of their attacking game plan.

    I heard Adam Blair in an interview after the Storm trial suggest that it was an area they didn't exploit enough in that game so not sure why we didn't see more of it against the Titan's, tactics? keeping powder dry? ... I hope so.

    With our forward pack I'd probably want to see 10+ offloads in games this season if we're going to create enough chances for our spine.
     
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    Stat Attack: Which team excels in crunch time?


    Today's Stat Attack examines which teams were the best and worst through the final 20 minutes of games.

    Remarkably, NRL.com Stats reveals the Penrith Panthers not only scored the most point of any NRL club in the final 20 minutes of games through the 2017 regular season, they also conceded the fewest points in the final 20 minutes of matches.

    By comparison, premiers Melbourne were third best for scoring and second-best for defence in final quarters.

    It shows that the Panthers – who finished the season off strongly after a horror start to surge into the top eight – regularly came from behind to close out games.


    Non-finals teams Canberra and Canterbury were in the top eight for final quarter differential, suggesting some slow starts cost them in 2017.

    At the other end of the table, Manly had the third-worst final quarter differential and Parramatta were also in the negatives, indicating each team often did enough at the start of games to hold on despite some poor finishes.




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    If we’re to believe the rhetoric from interviews/articles/documentaries born out of the Warriors preseason then it’s this stat that you’d anticipate seeing the biggest turn around in 2018.

    I understand everybody’s logics different but if you follow the premise that the Warriors were one of the unfittest teams going around last season and you’ve since brought in arguably the best fittness and strength conditioner in the Nrl then it stands to reason based purely around defensive lapsed stemming from fatigue in the last 20 minutes that the Warriors should see improvement in the area of points conceded.

    Like last weeks “Stat Attack” which showed us second last for points scored after being awarded a penalty, again if we’re buying the rhetoric from the club that offloads and second phase play are on the cards (there’s been no evidence of this in trials) then points scored should improve also.



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    End of the day they can be credited for nothing yet because talks cheap and winning games is all that matters but unlike player selections that never seem to change I can’t argue that they haven’t at least looked at the stats and attempted to address the problem areas.
     
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    Really?
     
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    Bored, so had a look at some records upcoming this season:

    - Should Mannering miss four games with this injury, he can still bring up 300 games in the final regular season game, at home to the Raiders.
    That’d be cool, warriors in a must win for the playoffs, trying to honour their greatest forward, only to let him down one more time….

    - To underline the amount of change the team has had in the last few years guess who has played the 3rd most games for the warriors in the current squad, behind Mannering and Johnson

    Sam Bloody Lisone on 63 games, crazy.

    Who is also on an impressive run of tryscoring futility, none scored in those 63 games, only Mitchell Allgood (0 in 70 games) stands above him of players who’ve played in the last 10 years, seeing as he is in super league big chance for Bam to claim top spot.

    - If Fusitua has a big tryscoring year will leap into the top 10 all time for the warriors, he’s on 32, Konrad is currently in 10th on 41.

    - Blake Green and Pita Hiku should bring up 100 games, currently on 92 and 81 respectively.
     
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    Sam Lisone on 53 games. About time he started to deliver. That stat also shows how inexperienced the Warriors forwards are once you get below Blair, Luke and Harris.
     
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    We heard u the first time Bruce....
    And it's actually 63 games:D
    It's a fair point about the inexperience in the pack although that doesn't concern me as much as it normally would because with guys like Gavet and Pulu despite having very few first grade games they have both been around a long time- far from rookies.
    Green is another one (although obviously he's not a forward).
     
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    Can't believe Green is less than 100....even with some ESL time thrown into the equation.


    That would in part explain how fresh he looks for an old codger
     
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    I screwed that up, was only counting from when he returned from super league, he's actually on 118 games already.

    Bam can thank me later for breaking his try scoring drought thou.

    What can we project this week ... DYK RTS has never scored 4 tries in one NRL game? well that surely won't be happening this week....
     
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    It’s been mentioned a few times now on various threads about how the stats have changed on the official NRL website, for whatever reason we can’t see players game stats any longer which is a step backwards because a lot of us like tracking players run meter stats etc.

    I’ve found a couple of alternatives, they don’t generally corroborate that well with each other which is interesting but here they are none the less.

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    Link has been hidden. Please Register to view. .... click the plus sign on the game and then click the “Match Centre” link.

    I know the FoxSports stats are all live in game but am yet to try the other one yet.

    Most have probably figured this out by now but for those that don’t know if you want to track how a particular player is going through the season you can go to the Warriors homepage and hit “Team” for all the player profiles and see their stats averaged out for every game across the season, it’s a good way to get a picture for who is performing and who isn’t statistically. These stats really should be the most reliable because they come directly from the Nrl, unfortunately it appears to be updated sporadically but the beauty of it is you can check out any player across the NRL by going to their official club website and following the same links.

    Handy for checking out players who are free agents or that are perhaps linked to the club on the rumours thread.
     
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    Found out about this website :

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    Also, does anybody know if the NRL stat packs that are sent to teams are available anywhere online?
     
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    Stats and match details from Gold Coast win
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    Vodafone Warriors v GOLD COAST TITANS
    At Mount Smart Stadium, Auckland

    Vodafone Warriors 20 (David Fusitua 2, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Solomone Kata; Shaun Johnson 2 conversions).

    Gold Coast Titans 8 (Anthony Don try; Michael Gordon conversion, penalty).

    Halftime: 12-2 Vodafone Warriors.

    Referees: Adam Gee and Gavin Reynolds.

    Vodafone Warriors | Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (c); David Fusitua, Peta Hiku, Solomone Kata, Ken Maumalo; Blake Green, Shaun Johnson; James Gavet, Issac Luke, Adam Blair; Isaiah Papalii, Tohu Harris; Ligi Sao. Interchange: Sam Cook, Leivaha Pulu, Sam Lisone, Bunty Afoa.

    Team:

    Penalties | 8-8

    Completion | 25/36 (69%); Gold Coast 27/35 (77%)

    Total metres | 1571-1490

    Errors | 11-7

    Line breaks | 7-2

    Line break assists | 5-1

    Tackles | 330-321

    Missed tackles | 26-45

    Ineffective tackles | 19-40

    Off loads | 28-10

    Individual:

    Most metres | Roger Tuivasa-Sheck 232, Tohu Harris 146, Peta Hiku 133, Ken Maumalo 133, James Gavet 130, David Fusitua 117, Issac Luke 102

    Most runs | Roger Tuivasa-Sheck 26, Peta Hiku 19, Ken Maumalo 19, Tohu Harris 17, Shaun Johnson 14, Ligi Sao 13, James Gavet 12, Bunty Afoa 11, David Fusitua 11, Adam Blair 10, Issac Luke 10

    Most tackle breaks | Roger Tuivasa-Sheck 9, Shaun Johnson 9

    Most tackles | Tohu Harris 43, Blake Green 35, Adam Blair 31, Issac Luke 29

    Most line breaks | Roger Tuivasa-Sheck 3

    Most off loads | Roger Tuivasa-Sheck 5, Adam Blair 5, Peta Hiku 4, Leivaha Pulu 4

    Most supports | Shaun Johnson 25, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck 17, Peta Hiku 13, Blake Green 12

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    Some great stats there, good to see a middle forward carry for over 130 meters hopefully Gavet can back that up next week.
     
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    Completed sets against Titans was low, does an early kick mean an incomplete set?
     
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    I don't think it is - from what I understand it includes errors or giving away a penalty while on attack, not kicking early.
     
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    Table at the end of Round Two:

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    Doing a comparison from the last 6 seasons:
    In our first three games from all 6 seasons (2012 - 2017)
    Win/Loss ratio 28%
    Points Diff -22 [3 game] ave (-134 total/6 seasons)

    End of year results from last 6 seasons:
    Win/Loss ratio 39%
    Points Diff -9.3 (as a 3 game average (for easy comparison against our current 3 game +25 pd))

    So our win loss ratio improved by 11% at the end of each season on average, and our final points differential was more than 100% better than our first three games average.

    To keep that differential trend alive we'd need to finish on a massive +400, and obviously we can't improve on 100% win/loss ratio.

    But we can reasonably expect our team to perform better against the comp as the season goes along.


    Home and away results from the last 6 seasons after round 3 were tied on 28% and 27% respectively, so no real advantage for us early being at home.


    Break down against final ladder positions:

    Against top 4 teams we lost all 5 games. (-16.5 as a 3 game averaged points differential).

    Against middle 8 teams (5-12) we won 33%. (-25.5 as a 3 game averaged points differential).

    And against bottom 4 teams (all were against wooden spoon winning Knights and Eels) we won 50% (-10.5 as a 3 game averaged points differential).


    So in conclusion, even tho it might look scrappy, and even if the Bunnies, Titans and Raiders finish 14th, 15th, and 16th, we are still absolutely light years ahead of were we were at this point last season.:D
     
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