General Discussion Warriors Travel Thread

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  1. Wellington Warrior
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    How far each NRL club will travel in 2018
    Fri 9 Feb 2018, 04:00 PM

    It's no secret the NRL's only New Zealand-based club has the heaviest travel burden but NRL.com Stats can reveal exactly how the Warriors fare compared to the other 15 teams in the travel department.

    Stephen Kearney's men will jet a total of 59,605 kilometres this year – 20,000km more than the next most (North Queensland's 39,905km), about triple the NRL average of 20,406km and roughly five times what a typical Sydney club faces across the 25 rounds of the regular season.

    Former Warriors mentor Matt Elliott explained to NRL.com the unique challenges faced by the club, which not only has the burden of distance but the headache of clearing customs twice in every away trip.

    Elliott compared that process to his time at the Canberra Raiders – who themselves have a largely under-appreciated travel burden – and also to his time in Sydney at the Penrith Panthers.

    While the heavier travel burden means the Auckland-based team faces a far greater travel burden than even the Melbourne Storm and Cowboys, those two clubs – who between them have won two of the past three Telstra Premierships – are better able to cope with their away trips.

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    "We did a fair bit of research into [managing travel when I was at the Warriors] and there's also an impact from not just the distance travelled but also the time," Elliott said.

    "While the Warriors do the most distance they also do the most time because you've got that extra clearing of customs at both ends.

    "The interesting thing, what we did find is that the success rates were far higher when we travelled two days out from the game.

    "But there was obvious and understandable resistance from the playing group because when you add that up it's a lot more time away from home and out of familiar environments but the reality of it is they are far more effective travelling two days out from a game."

    This represents a big psychological difference compared to the Storm and Cowboys, who have handled their travel commitments well, particularly in recent successful seasons.

    "If you look at North Queensland, if you did take the opportunity to travel two days out, you have a lot more focused time and the opportunity to work on building relationships and team spirit. You've got to mix the good and the bad," Elliott said.

    "It's all about management of that time and planning it to each facility. The thing Melbourne and obviously the Cowboys do really well is they have a good solid routine around it and they don't look at it as a burden, they look at it as a blessing [and think] 'this is an opportunity for us to get players together'."

    Elliott said he found the same thing in his time at Canberra, where he tended to hire a charter plane even for Sydney games rather than putting the team on a bus.

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    "You need to make that trip not a burden, you need to make it something you use as a positive because if you see it as a negative it definitely manifests that way. I've got no doubt Melbourne, the fact they're not in the Sydney limelight, they get to spend that time together as a team, they use that time really constructively for their preparation.

    "The only way to make this a blessing is to go away two days before and you've got to embrace it. If you don't embrace it and they're resistant to it, it's an issue."

    Warriors recruit Gerard Beale – no stranger to airport lounges in his nine seasons at the Brisbane Broncos, St George Illawarra Dragons and Cronulla Sharks – said the travel load was just something the players had to accept.

    "When I was at the Broncos I was pretty used to the travel and found it pretty good to be honest," Beale told NRL.com.

    "The high-performance staff at every club really, they put so much into that area, absolutely making sure we're at our best when we're away and training, which includes the travel and the recovery too."

    Beale will get an early look at how the Warriors staff manage travel plans in the club's season-opener against the South Sydney Rabbitohs; their 10,700km round trip to Perth will cover more distance in round one than the ydney Roosters will for the entirety of 2018.

    "I think we'll be coming over early in the week and spend the full week in Perth to give ourselves that extra time to adjust with the time difference," Beale said.

    "Once we play the game we might well be leaving straight away on the red-eye flight, I don't think it's really going to worry us at all actually."

    At the other end of the spectrum, the Roosters have just 10,488km in front of them this season despite taking a home game to Adelaide. They head to the airport just four times all year – a double-dose in rounds 10 and 11 to Auckland and Brisbane, then another double-hit either side of their round 17 bye with trips to Adelaide (round 16) and Gold Coast (round 18) wrapping up their long-distance commitments.

    The second-lowest in the kilometre count is Wests Tigers but there is only a marginal difference between them and all the remaining Sydney clubs excluding South Sydney. The Rabbitohs have landed not only the biggest travel burden of any Sydney club but the fourth biggest overall – bigger than the Titans and Broncos – by virtue of taking home games to Perth and Cairns plus facing away trips against every non-Sydney club other than the Storm.

    The Wollongong-based Dragons have been designated as a Sydney club in the above graphics due in part to the fact they play half their home games in Sydney and partly because they have a similar travel burden to the average Sydney club.

    Methodology

    Home games

    Each club's home ground matches are deemed to be zero travel for the purposes of this analysis. For the Dragons this is WIN Stadium in Wollongong where they train (and hence they 'travel' to home games at ANZ, Allianz and Kogarah). The Dragons have been designated as a Sydney club purely for the purposes of the above graphics.

    For the Wests Tigers their home venue is deemed to be ANZ Stadium, where they play the highest number of their home games (and hence accrue small travel numbers to Leichhardt and Campbelltown games). This means the Wests Tigers – like Parramatta, South Sydney and Canterbury – are deemed not to have to travel to away games at ANZ.

    Calculating distance

    For simplicity's sake, all travel distances are calculated 'as the crow flies' between the club's regular training base and the match venue. So while the Roosters travelling by team bus to Southern Cross Group Stadium in round five for example would in practice travel around 50km return, they would only accrue 30km for that match in this data. The vast majority of each team's travel component is air travel, with the theoretical additional travel distance for navigating through street traffic (whether to/from airports or to/from stadiums) having no material impact on the analysis.
     
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    Although it isn't surprising that we travel more than the other clubs it is interesting to see it laid out like that with the total distance traveled throughout the year. Especially when you see the difference between us than the 2nd side, than again to the side that will travel the least in the Roosters.

    The Roosters only 10,000 kms. When I was younger travelling back home from Auckland back to the Bay of Plenty most weekends I'd clock that up on my car in no time.

    Phil Gould likes to push how hard the Sydney clubs have it, sure mainly on the business side of things with more money from sponsors, larger talent pool. He still likes to make it sound like they are disadvantaged on the field to the point he's pushed having a Sydney conference and an out of town conference. They get to sleep in their own beds, spend most match days with family before heading across town to play. That is big in terms of keeping relaxed before games and getting to sleep in your own bed after the match.

    They also don't lose a day on each side of a match travelling. It is quite funny to hear them complain when they have to travel to Auckland, then Townsville for example.

    In saying that it is an obstacle we have to deal with. 20 years has shown we haven't done that too well. We need to get on top of it as you need to win a Grand Final in Sydney.
     
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    Players need to suck it up if results indicate travelling 2 days in advance of the game improves winning percentages, out in the real world people often work away on unfriendly rosters like 2/1, 3/1, I know blokes working 4 weeks on 1 week off up in the Northern Territory who don’t complain.

    Sucking your thumb over losing one extra day every other week shows what delicate petals players these days can be, surely the times ripe now we have a few Aussie hard nuts in our management and coaching ranks to stop players from kicking stones and finally get them to harden the fuck up for the good of the Club.
     
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    I think everyone knew that the Warriors would be miles ahead of the rest...but it’s the Roosters lack of travel that shocks me!!!

    They only go to the airport 4 times all season!!!!! And that’s taking 1of their home games to Adelaide!! Their entire years travel is the same distance we travel in round 1 heading to Perth!!!
     
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    It would be much fairer to have 10 or so teams travel to Auckland once or twice than the warriors travel all over Australia
     
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    I'm not getting this. They are full time sports people and you can't train all the time as you need to rest. Why is it therefore a problem to travel to a game on the plane with your headphones on watching the Batman Lego film ? It's not like they've been putting roof tiles on somewhere until 4pm that afternoon.

    Keeps them out of the boozer or the casino

    Are Warriors players actually complaining or is this your standard Aussie journalist whinge?

    I can see travelling to Perth being an issue, but that's a rarity.
    Travel only becomes an issue if the players don't behave themselves. Anyone remember North Sydney going a bit beserk on a flight from Perth, 'Bear Force One' was the headline iirc?
     
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    Some of the Warriors have always had a reputation for being sensitive souls e.g. don't like being yelled at by coaches, don't like having to put the club ahead of family and church, don't like being dropped to reserve grade, don't like being played out of position. So complaining about an extra day away would be no surprise.

    The club has made two grand finals and won the minor premiership once, including all the travel, so it can be done. New Zealand is at the end of the world, our forefathers had to spend six months in a leaky boat to get here not counting the Maori who got here from Southern China via Hawaii and Peru in canoes. It is in our DNA. Please Bruce don't mention that Tonga is a lot closer.

    I think Gerard Beales comments are the most interesting i.e. look at it positively not negatively.
     
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    I no longer buy this excuse Because that’s all it is. You either suck it up or change it (which you can’t), anything else is madness. It is what it is, so deal with it.

    I look at the positives that can be created. Sure, it’s maybe half a day of training gone, but it’s half a day of team bonding which is essential to any teams success. The flight home is recovery time anyway, so take the necessary steps prior to the plane trip, and include recovery modalities on the flight so recovery is achieved just as it would have been in Auckland.

    Leave a day earlier, leave two days earlier, spend a day longer post match, who knows. Work out what works best for the group, and stick to it.

    You either change it (which you can’t) or you get used to it and identify positives. Anything else and it’s just another excuse why this team can’t get success, of which I no longer buy into.
     
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    Going over two days earlier would also incur a lot more cost to each trip which I'm sure would be factored in.

    This year the team has 12 games at Mt Smart and then 1 in Christchurch, so 11 that are over in Australia which isn't too bad.

    Would be nice if they stopped sending us to Perth but with all the Kiwis over there it's an easy sell for the NRL so will continue.
     
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    The under 20's comp has many down sides in terms of player development but one that it should of helped is with the travel. The guys in the under 20's should of had two years in that comp travelling with the first grade side before moving up to the ISP or first grade side. So we should of had about 10 years of juniors coming through getting used to the travel.

    Sure for any job travelling a lot does become a bit of a burden but these guys are well paid and get to live a pretty good life style.

    After 20 years we should have a good grip on the best way to go about it. They may do but it does seem each coaching regime or playing group has different ideas as we keep hearing different theories or plans.
     
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    Unfortunately if we want to play in an Australian comp there's no way around it.
    Personally I hated traveling for games and that was only a couple of times a year so I do feel for the players.
    If u asked every club in the comp if they would like to travel more or less u know what the answer would be.
    It's a massive disadvantage
     
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    this is exactly why the idea that Gould and others proposed of a Sydney conference and the rest is a load of old tripe.
    Huge advantage.
     
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    Yes it’s a disadvantage but other competions around the world do just as much traveling and win so we need to find a way to do it.
     
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    I suspect the 2002 and 2011 teams had similar levels of travel.

    I’m not sure the travel is a worthy consideration when managed effectively.
     
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    Out of curiosity I had a look back at our grand final seasons 2002 & 2011 and even in 2002 when we won the minor premiership we only won 7/12 away games and in 2011 it was worse again winning 5/11.
    What we need to do is turn mt smart into a fortress and dominate our home games.
     
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    Our record at home the last two years (going by my perception not stats) hasn't helped. We need to win at least 80% of our home games to negate our poor away record. Say we win 8 games at home plus two buys that is 20 competition points. They still need to win 4 games away to even get to the usual minimum amount of competition points to make the 8.

    To have a shot at a premiership you need to be higher than scrapping into the 8.

    Either last season or the season before a few sides took their home games to other parts of New Zealand. Our record away from Mt Smart is also poor which meant they couldn't take advantage of a season with significantly less travel.
     
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    The off season when sides are in America scouting NFL sides for training and recovery techniques we should be over there but with the added questions on travel. I haven't looked at an NFL draw in great detail but I'd guess they would travel a fair bit due to the size of the country. Even the other major sports over there would also be useful to visit.

    Even closer to home the Super Rugby sides they still have to go over to Australia. Ok the opposition is not as tough but how often do we go over there thinking this side low on the ladder should be a sure thing for 2 points as we close in on the 8 only to end up losing. They still get the job done. Also going to South Africa must and now Argentina and Japan must be a bit of a pain. They do more road trips which we have tried with back to back Queensland games. That means away from families and also added cost but if it means results or less travel later it should be worth doing once or twice a year.
     
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    It drives me nuts when he brings this up. Yes the non Sydney sides have advantages with potentially a bigger junior pool, sponsorship can be debated when you look at how well the Sydney clubs do with TPA's. The Sydney sides do well in recruitment as it isn't that big a deal to change clubs as you can potentially change without moving house, wife or girl friend moving jobs, will your new girl friend move with you?, kids changing schools etc.

    I can't recall his conference split but a 16 team competition would ideally be split into two conferences of 8.

    Sydney sides.
    1. Bulldogs
    2. Roosters
    3. Sea Eagles
    4. Souths
    5. Eels
    6. Tigers
    7. Sharks
    We know have 7 sides so are the Dragons or Panthers going in the Sydney conference or the regional one? When they won the premiership in 1991 it was talked about as the trophy leaving Sydney.

    I'd love for the NRL to draft this out and put the Panthers in the regional conference. I bet he'd want to go back to the current situation pretty quickly.
     
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    That's a strange one- we never turn up for them games. It's such a great opportunity to show case the the game and the brand outside of Auckland and we never deliver.
    It's really disappointing.
     
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    The clubs bring the game over here to draw a crowd and potentially earn more than they would at home. Earlier in the season while there is still hope we probably would draw a decent crowd. Our poor record probably means the other clubs aren't too worried about moving the games. The Panthers stopped as travelling twice to NZ was too much of a pain.

    If we were a better side would they still move games as we would probably draw a bigger crowd at their normal home ground. Then they would need to weigh up a 10-15k crowd in Sydney vs say 20-30k in Wellington or maybe filling out the Dunedin stadium etc.